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+1 They sure did

It was so bad! Lol

They couldn't give them more than 15 seconds for an opening? Lawd. I like the nod to the original opening but they needed at least 20-30 seconds.

Saw this on Twitter

Eric definitely seems to be, I guess, enjoying the role more? I can also agree certain things, while still funny, are kind of falling a bit flat, the overly absurd doesn't work anymore. @YRBB thanks for the reminder of Karen tossing the paper towels and saying "heads up, Puerto Rico" lol, I died too. The kiss-off was definitely hot. I loved two openly gay actors playing the camp counselors lol. I like Andrew Rannells too, he deserves something of his own. Lucky McCormack getting both Rannells and Ben Platt ...

It seems odd to dislike the title characters, LOL. But Will and Grace aren't always rootable (they can be obnoxious, selfish, annoying), and that's OK. Lead characters are messy. The supporting characters are usually the "fun" ones. I enjoy all four for different reasons. But I have to say this new season has been GREAT for Sean Hayes. Sean and Megan are just fantastic. I like Eric and Debra too but it feels like Karen and Jack are getting better focus. This season has been a massive step up from the ridiculous cartoon featuring the a list guest star of the week that was the last few seasons of the show.

I enjoyed this week's episode. Loved seeing Elliot again and the kid playing his son Skip was really good. Good find. I was LMAO at Camp Straighten Arrow with Jane Lynch and Andrew Rannells playing counselors. Karen and Grace and their vaginas was OK but clearly a filler/side story.

Yep. It's likely ratings won't really matter. I guess unless they sink to really really low. Here's a good link about this: http://tvbythenumbers.zap2it.com/renewcancel/cancel-bear-vs-the-cw-week-3-dynastys-slow-start-wont-matter/

So cool to see the set again. Everyone looks good.

Perry was pretty solid. I didn't love the Dylan alcoholic storyline in Season 5 (with characters tip toeing around him, refusing to call his ass out and berate him when he was verbally nasty towards them) but Perry acted the hell out of it. His performance after what happened to Toni also gutted me. Personally I think he's very underrated. He turned in some good work. I always felt he was a bit checked out when he came back to the show but he's still good.

On Linda (no storyline spoilers) ... I'm also reminded of how this season isn't my favorite. Lots of mundane storylines and not very interesting things going on. Paige/Sumner was what kept me the most interested at this point. Danny losing his shine also helped. I'm just cringing at the Harold/Olivia stuff. lol

I can agree with all of this. The above is why I thought Hurley is perfect but I can see why she wouldn't necessarily do it. Melinda Clarke could potentially work. +1 I watched bits and pieces of it. I was having an issue with my DVR so I skipped around. I didn't hate it, I didn't LOVE it, it's fine for what it is I guess. I don't love they killed Matthew and we lost the Revenge hunk in the first episode. I don't necessarily love they have Claudia as batshit crazy but I lol'd at how campy it was storming out of the car as everyone gathered out front after the wedding and screamed about them killing her husband. Curious to see if Claudia is also not long for the show. I think they may be missing out if they discard Claudia the way Matthew was discarded. Especially considering the two actors playing them are fairly strong for a CW show. I like the actress playing Fallon. There's potential there. I'm mixed on the actress playing Cristal and Cristal in general. I don't really hate her but can't really see myself rooting for her so to speak, at least right now. I think they can do better there. (And LMAO at the music used as Cristal pranced down the aisle) I have no problems with making Sammy Jo a latino male and gay. The actor playing Steven isn't terrible but Steven is kind of boring and blah. I think there should be a bit more there, and I guess it could come over time. I don't expect or want a flaming stereotype, I sort of relate more to the less flamboyant depiction, but they don't have to make him so vanilla, lol. I also don't mind them making Jeff and Monica black. I appreciate diversity but I think they cast someone pretty yet lacking in the Monica actress. I don't think the actor playing Jeff and the actress playing Fallon had any chemistry. Fallon had far more chemistry with Michael the driver (again, kudos for the diversity on the show). I liked the nods to the original. I get it's not for everyone and it seems a tad generic but it definitely fits the CW soap mold. Glossy with little substance. We'll see how it goes. I'll keep watching for now. I haven't bothered with Riverdale yet but I might give it a shot.

Why no to Hurley?

I was never a fan of Leo. I never liked Connick either until just in the last few years. I didn't mind the Leo/Grace stuff. I think it probably needed to be dealt with. I loved they used Nurse Sheila again, LOL. I love her. Will was sort of absent until Grace had her meltdown with him. It was a good episode for Jack and Karen too. Jack "teaching" kids and Karen befriending the girl was nice stuff for them and right in character.

+1 I hated her early on but man ... the turn she takes lol

I think Elizabeth Hurley could work as Alexis but I agree that Alexis will forever be Joan's.

And I bet it keeps sinking. This had failure all over it.

+1. I love that apartment. lol And I loved watching Karen/Megan in the water doing all sorts of weird things, like propping her feet up, etc. She was hilarious. And agreed with others on Sean Hayes. The second episode was great for him. Good physical comedy. I can't believe how easily they all slipped right back into these roles and it's as fun as ever. I grew tired of the original once they started relying heavily on being almost a cartoon and relying on big name guest stars to generate buzz. Look! Cher! Look! JLo! Even if I liked the appearances it was coasting at the end. But it feels as fresh as ever right now.

Yeah. I'm surprised there's no Claudia, unless she's a recurring or guest character. I don't really mind the twist on Sammy Jo, and I also don't really mind making Krystle into Cristal and a Latina, but the show just looks ... crappy. It could be trashy fun. I'm going to watch it, but it just looks glossy with no substance. I don't mind a new take on the show at all but meh to this. Maybe I'll be surprised but I doubt it. When does this start?

+1 She looked so uncomfortable and ready to bolt. She won't last IMHO.

I wish I had Retro. Grr. LOL. Is this still being uploaded somewhere? (@DRW50) I know someone on DailyMotion was doing it but I think that stopped and I became extremely far behind so it's hard to go through all the old videos and find where I left off. I'm glad Retro is still airing this. I think Dark Shadows, Edge of Night, would be great choices for them to add. I wonder why they haven't added other soaps? Probably cost? I'm a sucker for episode counts @YRBB ! Are you still doing the flashbacks for Y&R with the monthly counts?

I enjoyed Jed. She fit in well. I'm already annoyed by Meghan and it's day two (and she already looks out of place and uncomfortable). I was watching daily but now I may not anymore. Shame. Jed and Nicolle were great but I can totally see why they'd rather go with Meghan but I think it was a mistake for non-conservative viewers. She'll draw in the conservatives as she's more right than Nicolle and Jed were and they have that audience they want to appeal to, which I get. When Joy was talking about Trump's Access Hollywood tape Meghan tried to bring up Bill Clinton and Joy shut her down by saying 'Trump's the president now' or something like that. EXACTLY. I'm so tired of both sides saying "well this person was worse so that makes this OK". Hillary, Barack and Bill are not president. Trump is. I don't care what anyone else did. They aren't running my country.

I miss Jed. Clearly they fired Jed for Meghan. I doubt it had anything truly to do with "focus groups" (or they wouldn't have brought her back this season in the beginning). I liked the dynamic they had. Not sold on Meghan. Whoopi seems to like her though from what it seemed today. They clearly want more Joy/Elisabeth bitchfests with Meghan filling that role. I don't know that I need that again. They got rid of Elisabeth and later Joy because it got so tired.

I liked the episode. It was funny seeing Will and Jack dealing with being 'daddies' now lol. Ben Platt was great though. Wouldn't mind him popping up again. Grace and Karen locked in the shower was ok. It was a fun little nod to Lucy and Viv in the shower from The Lucy Show. I lol'd when a soaked Grace walked into the apartment during Jack and Will dancing to Madonna and when they noticed her, they stopped for a second and went right back to dancing. The show really hasn't missed a beat. I also like the newly redecorated hallway leading to Jack and Will's apartments. Very nicely done.