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I actually totally see why they won. I agree he shouldn't have. But this actually shouldn't have been a shock. I've watched the show every season. I know how middle America votes ... and how the Bachelor nation votes ... but it was still disappointing. I've been losing interest and this season really didn't help. Starting with Tinashe, it was one right after the other. But John, Joe and Bobby lasting so long really wasn't a surprise. The "technical best" usually doesn't win. I've always felt America voting is flawed. Our elections alone prove that. But they need to overhaul the voting process somehow ... but it's never going to be perfect. I've often questioned the results and did even more so when in All Stars they had Sabrina exit the same week she did before. Come on .... lol And they can basically throw whoever they want in the bottom two. They usually say "only one of them" got the lowest combined votes and scores. I guess too they may not want to keep placing the same couple in jeopardy week after week. But sometimes they do. It's still a reality show and they want to make interesting television. A season with a lot of potential in the start quickly became a joke and basically a mockery (and ratings have been on a rapid trend downwards; it's still not 'cancel worthy' by those measures, but I'm curious to see what they do going forward; and I feel like the Juniors version was several years too late; I'd actually rather watch that one at this point, and that was all taped months ago ...) Sharna's win reminds me of Tony's in All Stars. It was just bound to happen and she had the right partner who had probably all of country music and middle america voting for him (at least Melissa Rycroft was solid though and it felt much more deserving; and random note but I still feel Edyta was robbed many times and I'm sad she never got a win). He does have a very popular radio show. When you think maybe logically, it's truly not a shock. But these types usually place second (David Ross) so it is kind of a first. But for many watching it's not about who's the best dancer. It should be, but it's also about the journey of the couple and the person dancing. It's actually not really hard anymore to somewhat loosely predict who will end up where and I'm often not far off. Although I still wouldn't have thought Bobby could actually pull it off. And the pro dancers aren't necessarily helping. I still don't feel like I know Keo or Gleb (and they're just quieter personalities which isn't a bad thing, I'm actually a quiet person when I'm not ranting on a message board). Jenna, meh ... Brandon had a lot of personality but he got cut early. Although Derek once was cut fairly early (Shannon Elizabeth) in his beginning too ...

She will (presumably). 11/27. At least it mentions her in the synopsis. No idea if we see her but I'm guessing so. Missed your post! lol

It was leveling out. I think ratings are close or a little lower than where they were. I haven't paid as close attention lately to the ratings like I was. I think it would have settled into where we are now regardless of Roseanne or no Roseanne. This Channing? I think she recognized she was out of place (I don't mean that negatively, or against her, just that sometimes a job isn't the right fit for someone and there's nothing wrong with that) and the network has struggled already under her, I think she saw the getting was good and she left. She wants to be in production. She's well liked but the job wasn't for her, and that's OK. At least that's how I'm reading it all. I just find the timing a bit interesting and the fact that they had somebody pretty much ready to assume her job so quickly leads me to think there's a tiny bit more going on here. And a blunder she made? Cancelling Last Man Standing. I know a lot goes into these calls but it was a clear, clear mistake. I knew it the second it happened. They were waiting for a reason to fire Roseanne, IMHO and she quickly gave them one. Channing never seemed to feel 100% towards Roseanne. And I don't blame her for not being. She knew what Roseanne would bring, I'm sure. Anyway, I think whoever was in charge would of had to fire Roseanne. ABC is meh. Sunday's are struggling. DWTS is aging and down on Mondays. Tuesday comedies are doing OK, I guess. Wednesday comedies are a mixed bag. This Is Us's rip-off isn't doing great and neither is The Rookie. Thursday is mixed and Friday isn't doing so hot, but it's Friday. But to be fair, I think we're in a different time where ratings are concerned. They aren't the full story anymore. I'm not saying they saw a problem with her but I think she saw where it was going, personally. Channing's a smart, smart woman.

I lost interest last season after the Christmas episode. It just turned back into the cartoon it was in the last few seasons. Still some funny stuff but there had been a tiny bit more depth in the first half. It felt different and better. Maybe this season is better in that regard but doesn't seem like it. I've got 5 episodes sitting on the dvr ... Schwimmer's hard to like as an actor sometimes so this role seems to be doing him no favors. JMO. And I feel like we've had similar romances for Grace. It feels tired. And all I see is Ross at 50 and angry and bitter living alone in NY being a catty bitch online. It's perfect! LOL. But I really haven't seen much so I don't quite know how it's going ... was trying to watch this Thursday though. Yeesh. Yeppers! I'm the same, I've got probably all episodes on the DVR and I tried watching some of this past Thursday's but Schwimmer turned me off. I just feel the show is tired again, already. It feels been there done that. It felt fresher when it came back last year. But there's no guarantee a new show will do any better. Superstore and Good Place aren't the true hits NBC and fans want them to be. They're well written shows but they remain niche sitcoms on a mainstream network. And to be fair, ratings everywhere are fairly horrible, but there are a few exceptions. Almost every single show on the air now would have been cancelled a good 5-10 years ago with the ratings they're getting. We're just in a different world and they haven't caught up. DVR tells the true story, but I understand the need for Live same day ratings. It's just antiquated and has been for decades. I really hope Murphy gets another chance. It was just buried at 9:30 (IMO) and has been a bit rusty but I think it's been slowly finding it's groove. I feel like the nostalgia wave has already died down a lot. It was no different than when everyone wanted an ER, when everyone now wants a This is Us. It's just a trend. Fuller House got a lot of buzz a few years ago. Now I have to struggle to find when the new season debuts .... everyone moves on to the new and shiny thing until they move on to the next ... I feel like Netflix has too many originals. I was glad to see them cancel a couple of shows ...

I didn't think Dungey was the right fit, personally, and it has nothing to do with the Roseanne firing. ABC has struggled under her almost from the start. I also think it looked bad for her that LMS (Last Man Standing) remains a solid hit on another network ... (kind of ironic in a way because I remember so many critics and even fans on other places where you can make comments bashing LMS and basically writing it off and wondering why ABC kept renewing it. And then all of sudden everyone was outraged when it was cancelled ...)

Wonder if Emilio will be Becky's new love interest. I wasn't home Tuesday night so I haven't watched this week's episode yet. Looking forward to it though. Pleased to see it get additional episodes. As Vee said, a nice vote of confidence. And the cast seems to wants smaller seasons, which I also prefer, I think it makes for a tighter show.

I know, I'm debating the same thing about how to store everything I want to download, and have already downloaded. I'm with you on P&G. I like the thought of reaching out to the SoapClassics people (person?) for advice. I'm not sure why P&G hasn't tried to make money off of them. Bizarre. I'd certainly pay a reasonable fee for a streaming service. But I imagine it's ultimately more work in some regards than many want to take on. Just one thought on why. But then we had AOL streaming soap episodes (once again, before it's time, like AMC and OLTL online). And the SoapClassic DVD releases ... Amazon can't get in on it doing MOD releases? IDK. It's probably just more effort than anyone wants to take on. Streaming or reruns are our best bet I imagine. I wish RetroTV would air other soaps, at least they still air The Doctors I believe, why not, say, Another World? Edge of Night? Heck, Peyton Place! I think Decades has Dark Shadows but it aired in a marathon I think when the network first launched. Even SoapNet did a shitty job. They never aired true classic runs of AMC, OLTL or GH (I'll blame Frons just because; the network was so unique when it launched and then it became, well, crappy) Just marathons here and there. I did appreciate AW and Ryan's Hope. I was always sort of bitter they never re-aired Loving but they just loved re-running Port Charles's awful arcs. I'm glad you started the episode list thread, will, and has come in handy at times trying to figure out if an episode is missing or if there was a pre-emption, etc.

I should too. I've downloaded what feels like a lot but it's probably not. I'm always paranoid they'll disappear off of YouTube.

Am I the only nut now downloading any full episodes I can get of old soaps on YouTube? lol. I'm always scanning these threads so thank you to everyone who posts videos. ATWT is one I've found a lot of and I'm going to sit down eventually and start watching. Should be fun. I'm also downloading a lot of AMC and GL. DAYS (and GH) is next on the agenda.

She was likely overmedicating, so it's not out of the realm of reality she'd overdose and die (she also can't be super healthy). I'll have to see how it's handled. I can understand why she'd be offended but it's something she'd do herself though, IMO. LOL. I imagine it would have continued this season. They clearly wanted to tell an addiction story. I like that she'll be a regular. Looks like good casting. And I love Juliette Lewis playing David's girlfriend Blue. Absolutely perfect casting. And I agree with you @DRW50 about Galecki. He always felt out of place to me on BBT, personally. And he became grumpy on-screen, imo. He was much better and felt more at home on Roseanne.

Also happy to see you back @EricMontreal22

I've never really heard an interview with her. I could listen to her talk all day. Her voice is fabulous. [!@#$%^&*] Paul Rauch. I know he's passed but [!@#$%^&*] Paul Rauch. It really is very "current" for something that was a clear problem 50 years ago. It's disgusting how women have been told they're crazy, difficult and that gets repeated and people just ... believe it! It's so bizarre the clear sexism (and I'm a man but I'm not a straight man ...). My heart breaks for Ellen Holly and all she went through at One Life to Live. She really cared, really took pride in that character and being the face. She's absolutely right in so many of the things she said. She likely, and rightfully so, saw herself as the face of OLTL. But the two gorgeous blondes come in and she's shoved out. I understand her resentment completely but I don't know why she's so dismissive of the actresses. She's not mean or anything but it's almost like she places the blame on them (and I don't really think she's meaning to; she has a great head on her shoulders and she "gets it"). I LOL'd everytime she'd throw out "the third Viki" If treated better there's likely no doubt she wanted to be there "for life". As disappointed as I am she turned them down to return in 1993 and likely would anytime asked, I respect her for it and I think she had every right to not want to go back. She probably felt she'd be used and discarded. (Although, social wise, that was a fairly solid period for the ABC soaps; she would have worked well in the more diverse Llanview Gottlieb/Griffith/Malone wanted - and hopefully treated better, but I remember them not having a use for Wanda and discarding her) I wish more notice was taken when people like Ellen Holly, Sarah Brown and Victoria Rowell speak out. But soaps (edit: and especially women of color) are ignored.

I agree with this. I'm not sold yet. I don't dislike her, but it was one episode and I have no familiarity with her otherwise. Feels like a more perky but brunette Elisabeth. Elisabeth at least had some quirky charm at times. I don't *hate* Meghan, but sometimes she plays the victim and often is sensitive and takes things not meant to be taken a certain way, a certain way. I'm very hot and cold with her. lol. Sometimes I like what she has to say. Other times her attitude is a turn off. But my heart breaks for her right now. She does seem like a good person with a good head on her shoulders. It's usually not about politics for me with her. Often she's not even explaining *her* view, she's explaining her parties. I think the problem with Meghan and the co-hosts is not great communication and not truly listening to what the other is saying before having a reaction. She just takes things the wrong way. And sometimes they take her wrong because often times she isn't even explaining her own personal view but I think they take it as such. Anyone else notice this and that it seems to be the cause of them sometimes not understanding each other? At least neither Meghan or Abby are onboard Trump's crazytown train. I think Abby tries to be more diplomatic though, lol. I'm glad to see Joy took at least a one episode breather from her Trump rants. I'm usually right there with her but she needed to calm down a little. The stress wasn't good for her Anyone else think Whoopi couldn't have been less interested in Abby? I imagine Meghan pushed for her friend and Whoopi is close with Meghan ... not that I mind more balance there. It could certainly be far worse than Meghan/Abby when you think about it. I can't get over them. I still miss Nicolle and Jed. And I already miss Sara's presence. I get why she left the View for GMA Day, but why is Strahan still dominating the original GMA? I actually like him, but they push him so much.

I guess. It was made too much about politics from the start and Roseanne unfortunately didn't help matters. It's kind of tacky, but they have to promote the show. I'm glad for the cast but IMO you either keep Roseanne or you move on altogether (I was initially all for "The Conners" but I'm more meh now for whatever reason). But we'll see how it goes. I have a lot of feelings on this one but I've kept them to myself.

I'm good with it. The cast deserves a chance. I'm glad they're getting it.

I agree with this. She did better earlier on.

It was so awful.

Personally I think you can like both Maureen's. They each worked for me when I've watched episodes with them. Parker just exudes warmth and fits the matriarch role Maureen was put into. Dolan wouldn't have worked in that. But I liked Dolan as Maureen too, personally. Parker just felt so fitting for GL and Maureen ultimately though. I didn't grow up watching either so I have no connection that way, just putting it out there how it comes across to me. I always felt Dolan was more cold on ATWT. She had life to her on GL. Oddly, I think Dolan "fit" better on ATWT, even if I was never the biggest fan of her as Margo. Sometimes I'd be. Always so hit or miss for me depending on her acting or the craptastic writing for Margo. I feel like Dolan checked out at times over the years on ATWT, but I can't say I blame her.

I was actually thinking about the Maureen's the other day. Odd. LOL. Having only seen clips (I didn't become a watcher of GL until 1997 but trust me, I know my stuff), I'd have preferred Dolan's version. I always felt Dolan was mis-cast as Margo on ATWT. But the writing for Tom and Margo was complete [!@#$%^&*] most of the time anyway. I mean, as a newer viewer to ATWT at the time, Margo and Tom were hard to care about or invest in. But I still liked Dolan and sometimes Holmes. They just never got them right, IMO. I can see why they chose Parker as Maureen. I know she was the "Light" at the time, but it aged her too much to have her be the "new Bert" at the time, as some viewers seemed to have wanted. Parker was fantastic. I liked her Maureen a great deal. But I'd rather write for Dolan as Maureen, if that makes sense. I can ultimately see why she could have "failed" in (the ridiculous) the focus groups (I hate that idea for a soap). But she also seemed 'set up' to fail, so to speak. I think Dolan was just more who I'd rather see play Maureen. Hilary B. Smith seemed perfect for Margo. But I can see why they cast Dolan to replace her. Dolan was just too hard at times as Margo, IMO. Kristian Alfonso suffers from this sometimes too.

I like that he let himself go gray too. It works for him. Much like it works very well for Drake Hogestyn.

lmao! Oddly I can see it working. It will feel a little bizarre. But he's older. I felt the same way as you about him on FRIENDS. I think they all developed some egos on that show and have over time humbled. LeBlanc is still desperate to shed Joey (I love his co-stars on his sitcom but I just can't get into it). I think it helped he (Schwimmer) didn't do a lot after FRIENDS (probably because it felt like he regressed as an actor on that show). Some things but not a lot. He kind of fell out of the spotlight then squeezed back in on Murphy's OJ Simpson trial series.

I don't mind the documentary stuff, I find it interesting. And I like they show things like Laugh-In and Dick Cavett and Ed Sullivan. I'm not actively watching any of it but I like it's on. I imagine they'll expand the daytime lineup of shows. They didn't even have a regular daytime schedule until either earlier this year or late last year. The Through The Decades blocks of programming is very recent. So there's room to grow. I think it's a solid offering of shows. I can see them adding more or switching things up. I like they're airing things like Our Miss Brooks and Family Affair. The other shows have been played to death but I still like them. I'm not actively watching most at this point, but it's nice they're offered. Agreed on the Weekend Binge idea. It seems all over the place with the marathons. Commish one weekend and Police Woman the next. I appreciate the idea of the blocks, seeing some shows not in regular lineups.

I've already got the DVR set for Police Woman! lol. I've actually never seen it. I meant to record/watch Tarzan. I forgot all about it. I try hard to keep up with the Decades marathons. They often have some good ones! Decades is what I wanted TV Land to be, somewhat (it kind of was with the retromercials and they did have some "rare" shows every now and then and I liked their weekend marathons and weekend "blocks"). I guess I should say instead that Decades reminds me a lot of how TV Land was and should have been.

It'd be nice to see someone at least try streaming classic episodes. Just to see the interest (or not). It's why I was so happy about RetroTV airing The Doctors. But they've yet to expand on airing soaps (I was hopeful for at least Dark Shadows, even Peyton Place ... but I think Decades has Dark Shadows, even though they don't air it). I fully believe the audience is there. But I understand cost vs. revenue and all that. It's a tricky situation. But like Chris B said, episodes were already made available to streaming years ago, why not just put them up somewhere? It's likely because no one cares enough to.

Thanks for the insight. He seems to have mellowed a bit, I felt, (I always knew he was obnoxious) but I don't really follow him so I don't know how he is. I can believe the politics thing. I didn't realize he alienated them that much. But, again, time changes people. I agree that they better have a darn good supporting cast. I think they could. The right Frederick cast, if they can get Bebe Neuwirth to be a semi-regular. It could possibly work but I agree with you on your take. I think he needs that strong supporting cast. Frasier without that cast would have been another "Flo". You have to have the right chemistry and support you had on the original show. I think fans would expect to see Roz, Niles and Daphne. I would. But I can see a scenario where it goes without them (if it's even an option, just speculating at this point). I mean at the end of the day they're actors and if they want to go back to those roles, and are asked, who knows? They're all still working, not like they're sitting at home waiting for a call. It could be difficult. I could see guest appearances if they all got along. Little arcs. I absolutely agree about Niles and David Hyde, I'd personally rather watch Niles and Daphne's antics. Really though the whole cast was just stellar. It all just worked. Magic happened. The scenario is there (Martin's passing) if they can make it work. I have my doubts though. I had my doubts before but hearing of the cast's issues with each other, it seems even less likely. But stranger things have happened! LOL. I never say never anymore. Kelsey played Frasier brilliantly but I've come to like him better in dramatic roles. It may not have been the best but I liked his Starz drama that lasted a couple of seasons. I think he's more appealing now doing dramatic work. He's too smug as a person for comedy as anyone other than Frasier. JMO. His series with Kristen Bell doesn't look awful.