KMan101

Well, yeah, adaptable is a nice way to put it, but it does make some "look" like hypocrites for demeaning the forum only to come around to it later. But that's life, people come around when it's popular. I tend to be early to the party (and late to some) and like things before they're popular and tend to not fall for the overhype things get when they're suddenly mainstream popular. I always saw the potential of streaming. Like you said, look how many actors are jumping into cable or streaming tv shows. Heck, Jaime Lee Curtis was on that awful Ryan Murphy show on FOX for two seasons! Kathy Bates, Angela Bassett ... the list is long. I'd call it a bit hypocritical in some cases. In other cases, many were just wary and came around when it suddenly became popular. It's like when anyone jumps on the latest trend after dismissing it for years. But it does come off a tad hypocritical in some cases. For decades there was a clear divide between Broadway, Film, Soaps and Television. Some actors/actresses always mixed it up. But it was looked down upon. The lines are long gone now, it was a slow transition but the last, say 10 years, it's so much different and more accepted to jump around and do various forms of entertainment. They see it as a way to flex their acting abilities and do different things. For decades popular stars on primetime, in movies, etc. couldn't run fast enough away from their popular characters. The FRIENDS cast still suffers from this. I want to add more to this post and reply to more of what you said (getting into the PP soaps and the fans still bitching) but I'm pressed for time at the moment. I'll post more later I think this is a great topic of discussion! And interesting about Netflix chasing big stars. It's kind of a shame because they're becoming 'too big' IMO. But I get it. It's what happens with companies. They grow and grow and what they once stood for falls to the wayside. I think there are still some outlets for independent artists but I see it becoming a struggle again. Hulu, Netflix, Amazon, they want to be big and mainstream. They need to keep topping themselves and getting big names and shows. It makes sense but it's taking away what made it so appealing to jump to streaming (aside from being able to be creatively free, though I imagine that changing too and more interference emerging)

You said it well above my quote and I agree with you. There was a stigma attached. It doesn't exist anymore. Some of course still remain set in their ways but streaming has come a long way. It's much more "accepted" and seen as a means to get quality work out there. I think B&B could very easily become a CBS All Access Exclusive Soap. I also think all soaps should still be a half hour though ... lol I wish creatives saw soaps as a way to tell a great story. We get so many serialized, soapy, shows yet soap operas are still looked down upon in the industry. Not as much by actors but overall it's an afterthought. They shouldn't be. It's really too bad they couldn't stay relevant (and they could have, without it being what they *think* is relevant, when it really isn't).

I've been touting the online thing too. It's their best option at surviving. But no one seems to be jumping on it. AMC/OLTL were a few years too early in their jump (which sounds odd to say, I know, but 2013 was ages ago in the scheme of technology and how people were embracing it; GL would have been even earlier and likely cancelled again - just a hunch). It's a shame PP bit off more than they could chew and that ABC were such asses about it all. They should have been working together. I also think you answered your own question on why soap fans (not really on here) were/are hesitant for the jump to online. "Web soap" and "online show" were almost dirty words. I don't know. There was just a massive resistance. I think it's a case of people being set in their ways and seeing things a certain way. Many also don't have the luxury of high speed internet or even computer access. TV, free over the air, is always going to be what people want. But there's so much advantage to streaming. I'm glad to see it coming so far and streaming on the TV has brought a lot of people around. There's quite a few jumping to streaming, DirecTVNow, YoutubeTV, etc. Lots of this wasn't available just five years ago. There was a stigma attached to something being broadcast online. Most people just don't like going out of their comfort zone. We as a society (not all of us, of course) prefer what we know to what we don't so people hedge off. Then they come around when it becomes more "mainstream popular". I think the reaction to AMC/OLTL going online, say, this year, would be different than 5 years ago, and seven years ago when they were cancelled (can you believe it's been that long already?). Some were bitter and didn't want to follow them online. No one's ever going to be 100% satisfied, especially a soap fan EDIT: Let's not forget, people watching them on Hulu wasn't the problem. Another problem was the somewhat nasty and negative coverage the AMC/OLTL reboots got. Wasn't Giddens particularly critical for no apparent reason other than to be a bitch about things? It was bizarre some of the reactions people had.

lol. I love it. And it's true. The show tackles some good topics. And manages to be real and have humor. It's a fantastic show. I hope more people start checking it out.

She really has had an amazing year. I'm so happy for Laurie. She's very talented.

lol. I'd so watch it!

HMC seems like she enjoys being outraged. I thought they were all over the show too by the time it ended. It definitely lasted a season or two longer than it should have. The promo for the new show looks OK, I guess.

Logo came to my mind as well. And one of my favorite theme songs too.

It really is. So many have the mentality of "you're either with us or against us" and that's just not how it should be. People are forgetting to be human beings first ...

But they haven't really broached politics since the first episode. The fans are making it political, but it really isn't. The first two episodes were great. Episode 3 was meh. But they've hit their stride again with the last few episodes and I hope they keep on this track. I think we'll get a Halloween episode. Roseanne mentioned it first thing when they were renewed for Season 2, and they'll be on in the fall so there's hope! *crossing fingers* I agree they try to cram too much in sometimes but I'd rather see most of the cast than just a few (although I realize you're talking about the topics they deal with and I agree they may be trying to do too much but they only thought they had 9 episodes so I get it, we'll see what they do next season with a few more episodes of breathing room; I think 13 is best. I don't need 22 episodes with half of them being filler episodes). But I think they can find a good balance. I really don't think the show is very political at all. I like it broaching real topics and making us laugh about them and talk about them. We're so worried about offending each other that we don't talk about things we should be talking about. (Just in general, not saying here, of course, lol, but everyone is so quick to be offended or take something the wrong way, etc.)

LOL it was well done. I'm glad the show is on Hulu. It's been criminally ignored for decades now in reruns. It pops up here and there but never lasts. I'm surprised Antenna or Laff haven't picked it up. I feel like I remember Hallmark trying it out but maybe I'm wrong? I think it would have been a good fit there but they seem to cling to Frasier and Cheers reruns in late night.

As much as Laurie is a.m.a.z.i.n.g. Jackie works better how they've been using her. But I agree in wanting to see a little bit more. Hopefully next season. I finally watched last week's episode. The episode was hilarious. The show has found it's groove again. It started a tad rusty but they've hit their stride again, IMHO. Fantastic episode and felt so old school. I loved it. The actors portraying the Muslim family were great. I hope we see them pop up more in the future. I just loved it. "Talibanistan" Roseanne honestly came back to TV at the perfect time. We need to laugh. We need to talk and have humor about life again. I really liked how they tackled this subject. It just ... worked. I also really liked seeing more of DJ. I'm glad they're finally touching on him and what he's been up to. Mary is so freaking adorable love her. I loved the all-girl sleepover. I have to admit before the season started I had all sorts of unfounded fears of if they would all be able to slip back into these roles. But man. They have. I was worried most about Sara Gilbert but she's just nailing Darlene again and I'm here for it. Glad it'll be coming back in the fall! HALLOWEEN! Roseanne desperately wants to do one. EDIT: Can't believe I forgot! CHUCK AND ANNE MARIE!! Anne Marie's side eye game was SO on point lmao. I've always loved Adilah Barnes, I'm really glad to see her and James Pickens back. They too slipped right back into their roles.

Seeing mixed reactions in here. Maybe I'll try to go back and watch. I don't know if I can watch that many episodes though, lol. I'll try ... I just have to have some expectations in check I guess. It's a CW show after all. I saw the first couple of episodes ... a little rushed but not the absolute worst I suppose. lol Rutherford and Sheridan joining helps immensely. They can drop Cristal for all I care. Kill her off. I hate saying that but she adds literally nothing, which is a shame.

True. It's just bizarre to feel like Andy doesn't exist. But they said it'd be addressed. I don't mind waiting, it just feels weird not a mention of Andy and Jackie having a son is on the show. But oh well. Just nitpicking honestly.

Yeah, I miss the days of network exclusivity to a show. Golden Girls for years was ONLY on Lifetime, for example. I miss that.

Agreed on making up our own backstories. That one works for me with Andy/Jackie. I can totally see that. It could really also run deeper with Jackie's own problems with Bev and not wanting Bev around (though still obviously loving her). I'd really love the Andy/Jackie thing addressed. They can keep Jerry on the fishing boat for eternity. I'd rather forget he existed than Andy. LOL. Crystal's still working, she works at a casino. She'll be retiring in one of the episodes coming up and Darlene and Becky will compete for the job (and having seen Darlene in the same outfit as Crystal, I guess we know who gets the job). Crystal was a bit out there but she always seemed capable of taking care of herself financially.

Father Dowling Mysteries is this weekend's binge on Decades, if anyone is a fan. Barnaby Jones was last weekend, I believe. I like Decades. He's got some new show coming. I forgot the name already. Probably another one and done lol.

Agreed on Andrea. I know they were pressed for time but I'd have liked a little more. Being a neighbor would be better. The David/Darlene thing was weird in a way. Roseanne has ALWAYS pushed them together no matter what. It's a little interesting to me she'd now realize maybe they aren't best for each other. I liked it. But Roseanne was always so gungho David/Darlene, no matter what she had to do. I know they have Becky's drinking a lot as a joke right now but I do hope it leads somewhere. I LOL'd at the name Blue so I thought they'd drag it out a bit more. I guess they could still introduce the character and say they got back together. The whole thing was a little weird. He was with Blue but going to reunite with Darlene. LOL, ok.

I don't think Darlene and David need or even should be together. David can be on the show without them together but we know inevitably it will end up there ... lol Maybe Andrea [Sarah Chalke] returns, leaves her husband and hooks up with David. LOL. Sarah's Becky and David definitely had a little chemistry. I wasn't home Tuesday night so I haven't watched this week's episode yet. I know! lol.

I know. It's airing everywhere it seems. Sundance airs it. TV Land airs it. METV airs it, all in blocks. I'm probably forgetting a channel or two. WGN maybe? Does it REALLY do THAT well? I mean, damn. lol Agreed on FRIENDS.

I knew I liked you.

I feel the same way as you both. It was a MASSIVE mistake. Just like when Phelps killed off Maureen on GL. It really pissed me off and still does. A lot of things the show has done over the years pisses me off. They have little regard for their vets, still, and it's a real shame. So many are active and vital! DON'T KILL THEM OFF! lol Ron really pissed me off bringing back Duke and AJ only to kill them again. Why am I stuck watching Julian and Franco get redeemed over and over again in an effort to make them work? I'd much rather be watching Duke Lavery play daddy to Griffin and AJ in a relationship with Liz. Instead we get Julian and Franco propped ad nauseum. And Nina running her mouth yet ultimately adding nothing to the show. Sigh. SIGH.

It needs to.

Oh, I do too. lol MASH, Andy, the westerns ... they're good but personally were never that appealing to me. Andy more so than the westerns and MASH. MASH is rerun SO much ....