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Me too. I think this is my first since Eileen, Melanie, or Susan Marie Snyder. That I make time to sit through these reminds me of how close ATWT still is to my heart.

Thanks for keeping us updated @Soapsuds Hearing an 85-year old woman talking about protecting our democracy, gay rights, women's rights...she represents so much that the P&G soaps and ATWT turned their back on. They are gone, and she's still here.

They were also going to recast Emily if Melanie Smith hadn't been able to return (although in another world, that recast might have been better than the one we got a year later). Considering that David hadn't been a major character in at least a decade, and Marland's ATWT was often restrained emotionally aside from select characters, I thought they did a good job paying tribute to him. A world away from the dubious sendoffs for characters like Hal or Nancy. I think the part I remember most was a letter from Hank Elliot, talking about how David had cared for AIDS patients and done AIDS research long before it was fashionable to do so. One of the few times you really felt that bite and anger in daytime about just how horribly dying gay men were treated in the '80s.

I did not know until today that Ramin Setoodeh, who wrote a number of anti-gay screeds at Newsweek, whether on telling gay actors to stay in the closet, blaming effeminate gay men on TV for same sex marriage losses in Maine, or, most unforgivably, all but blaming a young boy killed for being gay ( http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2008/07/21/2399 ), is now a big name at Variety. He even wrote a puff piece on loathsome Meghan McCain late last year, where he had to mention that they were friends. I will no longer have much faith in anything from them again. That also led me to this overwritten, incoherent defense by Aaron Sorkin, with my biggest laugh (funnier than any of his "comedy" ever was) being him begging people to keep reading Newsweek, as it is one of the few publications that still has news. https://www.huffpost.com/entry/now-that-you-mention-it-r_b_574210

The early '80s were the last time Ellen was a more prominent character, as her family was put in a more prominent role, along with her marriage to David.

That was great! So much of that was new to me. I'm always fascinated by seeing early split screen tech from those years. And all those lovely Horton family scenes. You are reminded of what good, natural, yet emotionally intuitive acting those times had. I loved getting to see some of her reactions to stories, especially her deadpan at them choosing to have Doug stabbed in the throat.

I doubt it as well - I think if they had insisted he and Jada would have left. I tend to believe the initial stories that everyone was paralyzed about what to do. I also think they were not expecting some of the backlash they have gotten from some in the industry and were hoping this would just be seen as a spectcacle/pop culture moment.

Thank you for the lovely article @jam6242

This is part of a followup of the tweet series I posted in the politics thread yesterday. Dave Rubin is shameless and grimy beyond belief - his "allies" are fine with inciting hatred against him, his husband and children-to-be to their followers, not to mention other queer people, and he still nods along. This is what you become when a desperate need for money rots away any soul you ever had.

Yes, even the guy who tweeted it wrote out in his last tweet he knew how awful they were, he just had to use them because of the quote tweet. I might have agreed a few years ago, but with the GOP now openly saying they will overturn Loving, I think it's just a matter of time, barring something shocking.

An article on the "resurgence" of homophobia in discourse (I'd argue it never went away, and at best was vaguely coded for a brief period, but I think in places like Slate there was more of a bubble - it's still worth a read). And a depressing, long thread on just what is coming within the next few years.

Great find. I skimmed through that episode last night but didn't realize it was right before. The idea of Mac being presumed dead and the effect this would have on his family is interesting - I wonder why they didn't develop it longer.

No problem. I'm so glad it was uploaded. Apparently that WAS Stacey's last scene, for anyone who keeps track of those dates. The date was 2/13/84.

So sad to hear this. He seemed to be the ideal husband who was a rock for Susan in all the ups and downs of showbiz. I can't imagine what she's going through after the last few years she's had.

I'm not surprised. And CBS will skate, as they always do. Warmongering NYT and others who don't want to live without their daddy figure Putin are already working overtime to spin the Ukraine invasion as a success.

@Bright Eyesor @BetterForgotten may be able to answer this. Until Kate Oates and some of the longtime producers are gone I will never see improvement.

From what I've heard the show was terrible from the time Kate Oates took over. Unless they want to just give a pity award, which won't bring the show back and doesn't seem like their style, I don't know if it will happen.

Good catch. They have a few others too.

Heartbreaking.

Thanks. I know you always keep an eye out for things too. There are so many reuploads sometimes I doubt what is or is not new... Jamie's mention in an early clip of two bodies being in the plane would mean that part is sometime in the week of February 6th. Stacey left on the 8th. The end credits mention a TV movie that aired on February 13th (in the US, anyway). So I assume it is all from that point.

Not sure if any of this is already available or not. It is about 16 minutes and seems to range from February 6-13, and includes some footage of Mac in the wild as well as some of Stacey's last scenes (I guess her last was with Jamie), as well as Cecile and Cass, and Rachel with Jamie and Sandy.

Sorry if this was already posted. Some channel has been uploading various material from 1992, with commercials. These never stay up long: