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@will81 Sorry I didn't tag you too. I always associate you with Y&R. Yes, this channel is a great resource. Hopefully they know you shouldn't upload DAYS content, but if this is rare then I'm glad to see it. And yes, this is much better visual and sound quality than a lot of soap episodes of this period passed around.

@JAS0N47 @victoria foxton @Paul Raven @vetsoapfan @jam6242 I never got around to watching the early episodes before they were taken off Youtube, so I don't know if this is another of those or if it's "new." Someone else may be able to pin down an exact date. Seeing these reminds me of how Marie resonates with me. There is something especially relevant to modern times seeing someone who is clearly so unwell mentally trying to "get over" their depression because it's what they are supposed to do.

I saw that people were upset with Chuck Todd for ruining the MSNBC coverage on KBJ's ceremony. I'm not sure why anyone even bothers with that network now. Speaking of media figures who have too much power and influence, Matt Taibbi becomes even more of a self-parody.

They were bragging about this missile strike until it became evident the carnage it caused. Then suddenly they were claiming Ukraine did it as a false flag. And of course, so many of their puppets online and in the media are going along.

ATWT is one of the shows that I started in my grandmother's living room, enthralled by what was often background noise to her. It's attached to so many memories. You don't really have those connections with shows now, or if you do, they are spoilt by online experiences and the general cynicism and emptiness of so much culture now.

Oh I thought it was funny (Lillimae often worked my last nerve, although this season gave her some of her best material with Olivia's drug addiction storyline), it just felt so away from the show I loved. I think Cathy probably should have left immediately after the Joshua storyline concluded, although later on I could have seen her returning as Greg's latest wife, harder now, and clashing with Paige. I would have believed that more with the Greg/Anne saga.

Abby was never just a rich bitch, even though by the end she was getting close (which is likely one of the reasons Donna Mills quit). The early years were expert at showing her layers. One of the first episodes I saw was Silver Shadows, and it made me love Abby, because she had spent the entire episode trying to con an old man out of his money by pretending to be his long ago love. He signed the papers and passed away, and she thought she had it made...until she realized he had signed his dead love's name, not hers. This was the moment where we could have, and often would have, had a scene of her throwing vases around, screaming, glaring, maybe even saying, "Burn in hell!!!" with nostril-flaring closeup. On another show, we would have. Instead, Abby, after her initial shock, regrouped, looked in the mirror (as she was still dressed as his old love), and smiled, fondly, because she actually had grown fond of him, and was clearly not going to let this ruin all the rest, or knock her back. There was a nuance which the other primetime soaps just lacked. As for Diana. To be honest the main problem was Claudia Lonow's nasal voice. She was just incredibly irritating in a way you could not salvage. They had the right idea when, many years later, they brought Diana back briefly when Karen went to stay with her during yet another marital spat with Mac. She was fine as a talk-to, and it reconnected Karen to her pre-Mack roots, which, by that point, she desperately needed. One of my favorite soap scenes of all time is when Eric slapped her. Good stuff.

The espionage story had its moments but I thought it was a very bad fit for Knots, and the woman - Jean Hackney or whatever her name was - was very irritating. She felt like she was airlifted in from Falcon Crest. There were also ludicrous scenes, unintentionally hilarious, like Ben putting Lillimae in a headlock. The worst was the affair with Cathy, which I did not believe Ben would do, and was lacking in any chemistry. So did I. I never cared for the Gary/Val relationship. They got together when they were very young. They grew up to be very different people. When they were around each other they both regressed emotionally and intellectually. I don't think Ben had much more of a future on the show. They were undergoing massive budget cuts, and if talents like Julie Harris and Constance McCashin were fired, I don't see him being spared if he had not decided to leave. He got another network show not too long after leaving Knots. It lasted a few seasons, and then he just slowly wound down the way many do in the industry until he presumably retired.

I agree. As they are in clip form it's difficult to feel the full impact as originally intended, but I greatly appreciate getting to see Kim's grieving, and John hovering, and Kathryn's wonderful rapport with Suzanne Davidson.

Thank you @Soapsuds. Still a great scene (with a very tender performance, as always, from Steve Basset). These episodes tend to vanish so I'm glad the clip was saved.

Last year, thanks to @VeeI saw Kathryn in an early '60s film, Ladybug Ladybug, set at the height of Cold War fears. It reminded me of the grace and intelligence Kathryn brought to her work, as also shown in her lovely, ethereal performance on Star Trek, and of course, as Kim. One of the reasons I had no patience for the clawfest scenes with Kim and Susan that hacks like Sheffer and Goutman were so fond of is because they went against everything Kim was, everything Kathryn Hays brought to the role. Kim was blunt, hard living telling her about the realities of life, but she was not bitchy. At worst she was impatient. I remember a scene that was, I am assuming, during the 1988 writers strike as it was a bit tougher than most of ATWT tended to be under Marland, and also because Kim's ties to Betsy were remembered, where Kim, after learning that Betsy and Seth were together, sat Seth down, and told him that Betsy was like her daughter, and how important they were to each other, how she had, in so many words, seen him go through all of her daughters, and how she simply was not able to support this happening yet again. This could have been a big camporama, full of sour digs and Hays vamping to the skies. Instead, it felt, as Kim so often did, utterly honest. So many grand dames of soaps surrendered to amdram, trying to disguise weak scripts and rushed production schedules, but Kathryn never did. One of the benefits of Goutman and the failures of ATWT's last decade not caring about Kim is that we never got the bilge that ruined so many other icons in those years - no "shocking" reveal that Kim murdered a nanny as a child because of latent DID, or that Don Hughes raped her and she and Lisa killed him and hid the body in the woods, and so on. We still knew Kim, and cared about her. She was still our dear friend, our mother, or our grandmother. I'm so sorry that all of her early work as Kim is gone, likely never to be found. I'm never going to stop wanting to see it. The Locher Room shows gets a lot of hate, and I get why, but the constant anger towards them becomes so overpowering that I think they tend to overshadow the main reason for their worth - to allow fans and veterans to reconnect, one last time. Yes, I would like to know how an actor felt about a storyline from 1987 - who wouldn't? - but right now, I am just glad to know that in her last years, after being on a show that was thrown away like old trash, Kathryn was reminded of the deep love generations of viewers still felt for her. I grew up watching Kim, and Bob, and Nancy, and all my other friends and family in Oakdale, and, bad as most of the last 15 years of the show were, I wouldn't trade that experience for anything. I am sorry for all the people now who never had the pleasure of seeing Kathryn Hays in their living room 2-3 days a week, week after week, month after month, year after year, decade after decade. We were lucky. And I will miss both Kathryn and Kim dearly.

That's interesting. There were rumors about a premiere of a new Lynch project at Cannes, but those seem to have been denied.

Oh that's right. Thanks for reminding me.

https://minnesota.cbslocal.com/2022/04/05/prince-rare-footage-1970/

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I think she was living in her own version of the I Love Lucy potato sack episode, and a designer who thought she was a bitch gave her a doily to wear as the latest fashion from Paris.

@te. Thanks for posting that. At first I thought it must be one of the two or three episodes from 1953 that have been floating around for years now but it doesn't match any of those I could find on Youtube and when I watched I did not really remember it. I'm always happy to see more of that time - Peggy McCay is excellent at making a good woman not seem saccharine or empty, and Jean McBride is fun as naughty Meg. I know McBride wanted to retire, but given that they had already recast Vanessa, I'm not sure why they waited so long to bring Meg back. I wonder, as we have seen so little of the '60s run of the show, if they even mentioned Meg during her decade away.

https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2022/mar/23/russian-athletes-face-backlash-after-wearing-z-symbol-at-putin-rally https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2022/mar/07/shocking-behaviour-russian-gymnast-shows-z-symbol-on-podium-next-to-ukrainian-winner

I don't think that is as true as it used to be. Not that long ago there would have been more Democrats out there praising the Florida legislation and advising the party to co-opt it. The party as a whole has been unified against these bills and know what they are really about. The vicious attacks against KBJ along these lines didn't get much traction in Democratic division outside of anonymous quotes in Punchbowl. And Democrats have managed to bring attention to hypocrisy and ugliness in some cases, like the child marriage bill in Tennessee, while extremists spend a lot of their time of late ranting and raving about Disney, which is all theater to line their pockets, as Disney is generally too big to fail and Disney also has never done anything to fight this type of legislation anyway. With that said, it doesn't really matter even if Democrats are more unified than they used to be - media and the courts and gerrymandering and the general stupidity of the public are all against them. And of course Manchin and Sinema ruining things, which is another topic entirely. I see that James Carville, who is a king of this type of complaining about Democrats to get press, is involved in a failing campaign against John Fetterman, the likely nominee for Pennsylvania Senate. This is a case where I actually wish he was succeeding, because Fetterman is a Bernie dead-ender who went on shows with loathsome grifters like Brie Brie and taunted Jon Ossoff only to later try to glom onto his stock-banning bill after he was elected to the Senate. Fetterman has been ducking debates in part to avoid questions about pulling a gun on a black jogger in 2013. Conor Lamb, with Carville, ran ads on this incident, which have now been pulled off the air. https://www.yorkdispatch.com/story/news/2022/04/01/conor-lamb-revives-gun-incident-attack-john-fetterman-senate-race/7248008001/ Even if Lamb may be more of the same, Fetterman just gives off the entitled, alienating vibe of so many Bernie dead-enders, with many assuming he will win because he wears a hoodie and looks like a professional wrestler. Just more divisive and toxic brocialism to a near-inevitable November loss. It really makes you wonder why the party ,and the base, cannot do better.

I'm so sorry to hear about your mother. Those who don't want to hear about this and that are likely to enable the Republicans who will be ruining their lives whether they pay attention or not. It's very demoralizing. Republicans are now fully unhinged, the party of MTG, calling everyone a groomer and fully supporting insurrection and murder, yet they are as popular as ever, if not moreso. I just hope those who have the resources to leave the country do so while they can.

Very sad to hear this. There are certain 'liberal' people on Twitter who make things all about themselves, or who just exist to grift. Boehlert was never one of those people. Any time I saw a tweet from him I knew it was valuable and insightful.

Sad to hear he's gone. I like him the most of that group of guys of the late '50s/early '60s, pre Beatles. Forget Him is a song I listen to a lot. Such good production and a vocal emotional just in the right ways.

CNBC pushing Russian propaganda.

I think Mac taught Rachel in the '70s. I'm not sure. Beyond Liberace's guest spots, we also saw the pianist for Russ' wife Tracy on occasion during her interminable singing sequences.