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That character lasted longer than I remembered. The most memorable thing about him was his exit - wasn't he turned to ash or something? The actor went on to take over for a thankless role on OLTL after Brandon Routh had that supposedly messy exit.

Forever one of my GL favorites.

Even pointing an arrow at his crotch might have been better. This show is earnestly trying to talk about sex in the '80s, which I appreciate, but the execution feels like a parody. Still, it's a memorable way to finish... I wish the actual full scene was available, but I didn't even see that until browsing on Youtube yesterday and realizing I'd missed it. That's probably one of the reasons these shows didn't perform well on Showtime - people could just wait to watch the more blatant softcore that also aired on the channel. I wish they'd done better as there's a whole potential genre here that never really happened.

Oh that's right. Thanks. And Joe Barbara did his voice, IIRC.

I remember that too. Wasn't there some initial hint of Felicia being involved? And then Jordan Stark was originally known as Mr. Shoes, wasn't he, and not shown?

The music is incredibly grating - I don't know what instrument that is (trombone?). I do appreciate that they were presumably trying for a different type of audience. I've rarely seen a promo just lay out every single character that way. If only any episodes from that time were around, beyond Papa Bauer's funeral. Whenever I see Lynn, I think of Maureen Garrett's interview about when she first came on and how Lynn used to come around and watch her film because Lynn hadn't actually wanted to leave the show (she only did because of her husband).

I would guess NBC wanted to try to have yet another JER-esque story similar to what they were pushing on DAYS at the time. Lumina wasn't especially bad, but it was also not overly interesting. It could have been a B-plot on Dark Shadows. Back to what @Xanthe mentioned, I do wonder how I would have felt about just how hard into Carl/Rachel the show went if I had been a longtime fan. It's pretty remarkable. I know Victoria Wyndham was a big factor but the show itself also seemed to totally commit in that 93-94 period.

It was just stupid and "soapy" to the point of hilarity, but it did give Victoria Wyndham a chance to act again after being in the doldrums (and then that Justine fiasco).

@dc11786 Thanks so much for your help with the date. I have not watched a lot of the Karen Harris period of PC but I need to. My main viewing was the Latham era (which felt very unpleasant, dark [who wanted to see Lucy blind her daughter???], and full of agendas) and the Hamner era (which was just a big mess). Then some of the arcs, most of which weren't that good aside from Time in a Bottle. You are right that too much of The City focused on unpleasant younger characters sniping at each other. I think the young people they created for the end of Loving to take over to The City weren't the best choices - I don't know what happened with Alimi Ballard but Frankie should have been a no-brainer. Characters like Danny were powered solely by the charisma of the actors and had little to offer themselves.

I'd never seen this before today. I don't think whoever wrote it was jabbing at OLTL itself, just taking cheap shots at all soaps, but still, I feel some satisfaction when I see shows that went after soaps in such lazy terms and then flopped. (I still find Susan Powter hilarious though, so this isn't an attack on her)

It was, yes. I do wonder how it played onscreen - on paper it's just another reminder to me of what a hollow core AW had by that point. You have a major Hollywood movie, gangsters gone wild...what IS your show? At least when Lemay made the show more Transatlantic and threw in the Chadwell scenes too he still seemed to try to tie into bread-and-butter moments in Bay City. You're right about Vicky. The twins were kind of a dumb idea when you think about it. I think RKK did a good job as Sam but I agree the character didn't need to return. It's just if you are bringing him back, I think you may as well bring him back in that part, especially as (even if she wasn't on the show then) Amanda was still an important character. It's not like Sam had a rich backstory and he also had an edge to him so if they wanted RKK to come in and smolder and be bad-ass and rock his beard and all the rest they still could have done it. They even could have paired him with Vicky if they wanted it that much. Imagine Amanda's fury over that.

Thanks. I did too. They have changed the photo again, this time to a solo photo (the last was of Esta and Amelia Marshall at an awards show).

That's a lovely tribute. I'm glad they were still close. Thanks for the education. It's been changed now, thankfully.

Thanks. That makes sense. I wonder how that happened. AI again? I guess they were at the same awards function and that's all it took. After the way he treated her I lost interest, but there's no denying they had the most chemistry together of any of his pairings (she never really had any other proper pairing).

Deadline's obituary doesn't even have the right photo. (I think that's Lauren B. Martin, Camille from ATWT, among other roles). Kind of says it all about the view of daytime in the industry. https://deadline.com/2024/07/esta-terblanche-dead-all-my-children-obituary-1236016866/ Thank you for the extra details. I remember that Tad scene now. The last few years before that character was trashed.

That would be Broderick. I don't remember a lot about Tad but I do remember her trying to get close to Edmund (or I think I do, anyway). Late Broderick also had Tad and Edmund going to save Gloria from Dimitry and get the baby back from him. I am not sure if she would have reunited Tad/Gloria or if Teresa Blake was leaving anyway.

I had forgotten about the Tad part. Edmund ends up having a fairly decent (for soaps) mourning period until TKFP fiasco... I imagine some people just thought she had some generic Eurotrash accent especially as the various types of South African accents weren't as well known to the American public. I'm glad most people had the sense to know better.

It's a shame the non-cliffhanger footage isn't available as some of those characters might have had better exits. When Gillian first arrived in Pine Valley she was a gold digger, planning to woo Edmund, and then she switched to Scott. Her intro was faking a car breakdown to try to charm Kevin Sheffield (having no idea that he was gay). There was one particular moment SPW went to town on during a hurricane (a story that felt like it was severely curtailed, maybe due to the incoming writing changeover) where Gillian went outside during the "hurricane" to have fun in the water. It was McTavish who turned opinion of Gillian around through the initial love story with Ryan, where Gillian ultimately chose love over money (the show also seemed to be suggesting Kelsey and Scott might get together, but neither lasted the rest of the year). Sadly, she then ruined the whole thing by having Gillian sleep with David for Ryan's bail money or whatever and then have Ryan basically call her a big whore and dump her, but the character still remained well-liked in spite of being ill-used from that point on.

I think she mentioned the replacement having short dark hair or red hair - I can't remember. Makes me think it was a '60s Patti. IMDB says Steve Nisbet.

Between the dead end left (many of whom are virulently homophobic and proud of it), the issues he had with black voters, and the campaign against him and his husband for having kids (along with the general campaign from left and right to demonize gay parenting in this country), it's a lot, but I do think he's been a very effective part of Biden's administration, more than I would have expected.

Similar to her I think he's just too despised on all sides, but he's a very good communicator, one of the best in the party. He should be doing this from now to November.

There was the story Mary Stuart told about when they had recast Patti yet again, Jo's first line to her was, "Is that you, Patti?" Seeing the absurdity, she asked them to change it, but they wouldn't.

Loath as I am to post a Bill Maher clip, Pete Buttigieg does a very good job here of explaining in very clear terms the motivations of JD Vance and also why Peter Thiel supports a fascist even though he's a gay man.