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Unpopular opinion but I think Derek really revved things up with his acting in this episode. To me it's like just give these folks material and opportunity and they might surprise you. Many of these actors are probably "hidden gems" waiting to be uncovered.

Jack had it tougher than his wife, who unwittingly slept with his doppelganger? I would say so cause at least she thought it was jack. And Marco did treat her right before it all came out. I don’t excuse this disgusting story but jack was about to get executed. I mean Kelly continues her mental, physical, and sexual torture of Jack. She with-holds food and water for days to punish him. When Jack tries to escape, she hits him on the head with a baseball bat and knocks him unconscious. Kelly starts drugging Jack's orange juice in order to brainwash him. Jack is weakened by the drugs and becomes more passive. Kelly notices the change inher captive and gives Jack more freedom such as uncuffing him from the bed and providing a knife to cut his food. They both have been abused and tortured but jack had a more brutal abuse than Phyllis cause at least she thought her abuser was her loving husband andhe did treat her properly. But I still think this story was too out there for Y&R. This Story would be more fitting for Days or GH than Y&R. It just grew on me cause it gave Peter as Jack something to do

Doug, lol. Like I said, it was weird about Stephanie. They added her, Joey Thrower's Kevin, Lee Ann and Jason to the final Tour of Llanview opening in September, played her a fair amount that month with Jason in a very Malone way, and then had her trading barbs with Lee Ann and closer to Joey in October. Then with no preamble they very abruptly write her out in a single day to go to Chicago, and Robyn Griggs is immediately removed from the opening as JDP is re-added (the final change to the 80s opening, I think - strangely Luna and Blair are never added despite it being the same timeframe). A lot has been said about Griggs alienating people BTS at her various soaps and Joey Thrower talked about her being an issue at OLTL, so I assume that between her initial story pre-Gottlieb/Malone being so lousy, their adding a bunch of new people plus her offscreen behavior, they just quickly did a 180 and decided to cut bait on Stephanie in this period. I don't know if Stephanie comes back before the spring '92 story where she returns following Carlo's death (and is used simply to end that story). I suspect not. I do know Thrower's Kevin is back shortly. Why they sent him away for a few weeks I really don't know. I know Pat Elliott (Renee) said they should've told the Eber story with Asa and Renee so the audience could invest in it vs. two new people. Asa and Renee's relationship was growing very toxic at this point but I don't think that would've worked - I understand her point but it would've ruined Asa permanently, and the audience didn't want to watch him do that. I do think some of the stuff with Doug and Jane is well-written especially as she talks about how their relationship first turned abusive, and how she can't remember if it hurt the first time he hit her. Gottlieb was very clearly trying to educate during this period with this story and the Wanda subplot about female medical care, and it's always admirable for daytime to do that and was well-scripted but a bit too didactic, especially in the Eber story with random all-new characters. Maybe they could've brought back some minor past players instead to do the same short story, like one of the O'Neill girls or (shudder) Wade and Mari Lynn.

Ha! Really shows what an icon Roger was. I was waiting on Doug to have a big moment in the costume. Oops, I wish we had closing credits for the spellcheck reasons. There is no balance to Cassie faking the insanity, she isn’t quite coming off as a strong woman which considering she battled Mitch Laurence and was nearly burned alive tied to a tree doesn’t add up. Also, the way she says Sarah kills me, I’m not hating on it though. I have made it to episode dated 11/8 (the dates don’t add up though when I checked the weekly ratings) and I see what you mean about Jane and Roger. I wouldn’t have hated if Jane was less one note, she could’ve been a background character, longterm waitress, something. But I won’t miss Jane or Roger. Not hating the story though. Roger confronting Viki in her office and Blair coming to her aid was quite chilling, the background score was great. I’m actually missing Jason, he’s gone more to the background, and the scene where LeeAnn called out for Max as he sat vigil with her in the hospital made me feel for him. This actor is phenomenal. I am LOVING the ongoing work life at The Banner and Blair making her moves. Cord comes off icky flirting with Blair constantly, although I would’ve liked to see them in the absence of Andrea Evans. Yawn at Max vs Asa. PS- Stephanie is now leaving, they are making moves fast. Kevin left for Texas, I’m assuming that’s the end of that Kevin? Also, were their any other characters pre-1991 that could have taken the place of Jane and/or Roger to avoid them being randoms?

Gosh, I had no idea those two "actresses" were actually "TV people" until I came to the board. I assumed they were a pair of ghouls who'd auditioned for the role of June last summer, got passed over, and someone pulled out their headshots from a file folder and said, "Get these two on the phone & ask them to play the country club hags on December 1st."

It was Doug, but yes we all thought of Roger! I don't get the hate either - I think so far the overall storytelling shift have been overstated re: the novella-type stuff. It is still following the fundamental framework of a year-long soap opera with larger storylines and throughlines running alongside or above the shorter-term stories (Doug and Jane, or the Wanda medical stuff which is more a B or C-plot). OTOH Gottlieb and Malone did change a lot about the show very fast, and the Eber (I don't think there is a 't') saga does get much more prominent very quickly and becomes a bit tedious so I can understand some of the critique. But in the end this story is going to both begin and wrap in about a month or less and it's far from the only story on the show, all of which are paced and plotted like normal soap opera. Laura Bonarrigo was done no favors in '91. First she looks like RSW's midlife crisis made manifest when she comes on as a notably young love for Bo under Rauch, then she spends this back half of the year howling, shrieking and sobbing while 'pretending' to go crazy (sure, Cassie). It's been driving me up the wall, and I am someone who grew up adoring LB and Cassie on the show for years and think she was deeply underrated. This stuff is a rough ride for her even though it seems like someone new at the show must've seen her talent and thought the way to use it was to keep giving her very big, broad material to showcase her chops lol. Instead whenever she starts to lose it I cringe and go for the volume on my remote. She's definitely playing it to the hilt but it's exhausting. Laura is lucky she survived this period and got better story.

I also learned a lot about IVF... That storyline when they mistakenly put Brooke and Nick's embrio in Taylor's womb left a mark.

Mmmm I don't know who it is. Just some guy that worked at the boat who she was flirting with. Is there anything I should know about him?

As a child... I learned how paternity tests work. One of my earliest memories is a doctor explaining to Brooke what it is. Till that point I never thought a woman can sleep with a father and son and don't know who the baby daddy is. This was before reddit and social media and things like this were rare.

Melody Thomas as Nikki Reed on Y&R was completely different from Erica Hope. Erica Hope always seemed grouchy, angry, and casually whorish, while Melody Thomas debuted as more of a smiling, airheaded dingbat who could be easily convinced to do anything, no matter how lurid it was. I felt like the audience warmed up to her immediately. (Though I still think of her as the New Nikki, lol.)

This is so true ☺️

The show is already revolving around characters who have been there for decades and when the get the chance to bring on a new character with no baggage they blow it by recycling Cane.

Oh I think it’s just as bad as Maura as Diane. He deaged by 20 years and suddenly wasn’t Australian.

Y&R remains #1 for one reason and one reason only: Eric Braeden. Y&R's core audience doesn't really give a hoot about how bad the rest of the show is; as long as they get to see EB/Victor, they're good.

I have made it through the 11/5 and I really can’t get over how on fire the show is. I think they are handling the transition from old to new and getting their bearings while keeping Llanview feeling like a community and it still feels like a soap, I really don’t get all the hate from the press at the time. I loved the Halloween episode: the costumes, LeeAnn and Luna, Jessica as Dorothy and getting spooked by Addie, Roger in the clown costume to track down Jane, etc. Cassie faking her breakdown to lure out the stalker is both interesting but moved at odd pacing. I wasn’t expecting the charade to continue through an episode and a half and thought it would just be one big moment. She did take it a bit far, poor Bo, Herb and Dorian. The fire at Llanview was very cinematic, especially the exterior rooftop window scenes and everyone slowly running down the alley. Great work by cast and crew. Max’s return from start to current has been great-loved seeing him back with Megan and then reaching LeeAnn and at her side.

Maybe he'll leave on his own accord. Stranger things have happened. Billy Flynn is a really good actor and I still believe he is totally wrong for the role of Cane. I don't believe his casting is as bad as Maura West as Diane, but there's just so much off about it.

love this!

No, Sonny would never hit a woman...but he would shoot her in the head. (Hey, Carly! What's good?)

If that is who I think it is...he has matured, but NO.

I thought Kristina had more or less implied to Sonny's face that he was just as abusive as if he'd hit a woman (which Sonny insisted he would NEVER do!). I loved that.

Uhmmmm so yeah, today was somewhat boring 🤷🏾‍♂️🤷🏾‍♂️🤷🏾‍♂️

What a great idea for a topic! I first learned about concepts like shareholders and stocks and board meetings from watching Y&R as a kid (when they actually showed the business stuff onscreen!). It certainly isn't discussed regularly on television and I wouldn't have heard about it IRL. I feel like I also know a lot of dates of actual historical events because of researching preemptions.

I forgot to mention before how I learned all about postpartum depression from watching Reva's exit storyline on GL (and again, how my own mother went through it after giving birth to me).

Jack had it tougher than his wife, who unwittingly slept with his doppelganger?