The View: Barbara reprimands Elizabeth on air!

[JER Soaps Fan]

Well, I'm 'for' people not spreading their legs without protection and having easy 'outs' like abortion, which teaches no one involved life lessons about actions and consequences. Abortion, morning after pills, no matter what you call them, they are all crutches for irresponsible, careless behavior.

[sweetness514]

I'm all for people to get responsible too, but when the irresponsible behavior has been done, I'm more for certain types of people who are not responsible enough not having kids, b/c the kids suffer. It's all about how you see different sides of the situation and if Bitsy wants to see it her way, then that is her opinion and she has a right to have it, and not use morning after pills and get abortions, and she can even judge the ones who do. But for her to want to make it illegal is another story. That's wanting to control other people's lives, views and actions.

And she can state her opinion in a more mature way, maybe it would come across better and open some minds to some of what she thinks.

[Cheap21]

Oh as much as I dislike her, I cant wait for Rosie O'Donnell to join bc she would not let Elizabeth get away with the way she acted today. She will chew her apart and would shut her down. Im looking forward to seeing that !@#$%^&*]fest start

things arent always black and white though. These arent just crutches for careless behavior. Joy was trying to bring up points where its out of the woman's control. What about a 12 year old girl thats a victim of incest? A woman who's raped and attacked against her will, etc...? Elizabeth was fixated on one viewpoint and Joy tried to bring into the topic that there are other circumstances besides just any random woman having sex and not wanting a baby.

The main topic isnt even about the morning after pill. Its about Elizabeh and her behavior. She needs to learn to conduct herself in a more professional manner. There's a way to express your opinion without shoving it down people's throats. She didnt let anyone form an opinion on this subject but instead dominated it with her ranting and yelling.

[JER Soaps Fan]

Well, no matter what anyone says most people keep their views on this issue. I can understand her frustration. Since everyone WAS a fetus at one point, you'd think (I would anyway) that we'd recognize their right to life and want to give everyone an 'equal opportunity' at life, which, even though current laws won't uphold, we do have a right to, under the consitution. But because of language that speaks of personal autonomy and propaganda that turns innocent children into "parasites" or even "sexually transmitted diseases," others won't jump on that belief bandwagon. I can understand Bitsy's frustration. And given that she's vastly outnumbered on "The View", I don't fault her for losing it just to get a word in. Abortion makes all of us pro-lifers desperate because it just seems so common sensical, to us, how this issue should be viewed.

That said, I hope she can frame her opinions in a more worthy manner, in the future. Evidently, her current approach isn't moving minds.

Well, you wouldn't agree with me Cheap but I don't see how any of those circumstances make a woman powerfless from choosing life. Again, this 'unwanted pregnancies are sexually transmitted diseases' propaganda is what furthers the belief that unborn children, no matter how they're conceived, are expendable. In reality, children are just children. They have no 'devil horns' on them nor are they tainted. Rape is a violent act, but the child that may result is beautiful and, I would think, help heal the wounds because something beautiful came from something grotesque (and for many women, they've said just that). I don't, nor will I ever believe, anyone 'needs' abortion. Pregnancy isn't a bad thing. It's not a bad consequence. It's NATURAL. Abortion, then, is unnatural. That's just how I feel, and though, in this society, some, if not most, may think it radical, I won't stop believing it.

[Bright Eyes]

AS A MAN AND A 17 YEAR OLD I DONT MUCH ABOUT THIS SUBJECT. With that said if someone happens to get pregnant unwillingly, under any circumstance, why can't that person, if they really feel they don't want a child give it up for adoption to family that me not even be able to have children etc....?????????

[mitchFan]

Seriously, why don't you actually try to see from another viewpoint and realize that things happen to the most careful and precautious people. It's one thing not to agree with these pills for yourself, but no one has the right to decide that for another person, and that is what people seem to be doing IMO.

[JER Soaps Fan]

Exactly, amello. Why not? Oh, I know. Because of the 'pregnancy is bad,' 'unwanted children are STDs,' 'my body, my life' propaganda.

[watt3213]

I don't watch the view, but Elizabeth is my favorite of all of them.....plus she is much better to look at

So i take her side over any of the others

[mitchFan]

And why can't people just let others make their own choices for their own lives, and stop trying to butt their noses into where it doesn't belong?

[JER Soaps Fan]

Well, obviously, I disagree, because I feel no one has the right to decide who should and shouldn't enter this world when, again, everyone should have a 'right to life.' I understand the other side's position and opinions, I've studied it rather thoroughly even, but that's never going to change the bloody, gory act of abortion, and my view that humans, no matter what their age, deserve better; nor will it change my view from a purely ethical feeling that abortion of any kind treats humans as a mere means to an end; nor will it change my belief that humans going against their own in an almost cannibalistic way, and living in a society in which that kind of 'radical thinking' is somehow ethically just, is just horribly wrong. So yes, I can see from the other side, but the pros they claim, to me, don't outweigh the serious cons. A woman has an abortion and for pro-choice feminists, it might seem like a load off her shoulders, but in the grand scheme of things, the burden of having an unwanted child seems rather insignificant compared to the reality that someone who could be the greatest peacemarker or the first woman president, is gone before they even have the chance to make their mark on the world.

Obviously, you're prochoice, so you don't see it as we do. It's not a person's choice. That choice is a child who has a right to life and make their mark on the world. We speak for those who can't speak. That's not 'butting my nose where it doesn't belong.' An unborn child can't fight for her right to life so it's a GOOD thing that people care enough about children they don't even know to lend them a voice. I'm sorry but the woman is not the victim in the case of abortion. The one aborted always is, because they never had a chance.

[Cheap21]

believe it or not, I agree with Elizabeth to a degree. I was raised Catholic and I dont personally beleive in abortion. I beleive that all life should be valued. I dont beleive in abortion or morning after pill being used as a way to make someone's life convenient bc they didnt want a child when they had sex. In this day and age, people should be educated enough to use the proper protection before it even gets to that point but things happen. Every situation is different and the woman's circumstances, life, etc... should all be taken into account. I just dont see how it has to be so black and white. A 12 year old thats raped by her father and becomes pregnant doesnt necesarily have the mental capacity to raise a child or go through a pregnancy. The constant rape could be traumatic enough and unwanted pregnancy which would tie her and child to the stigma of incest for life can be damaging. Thats just one example of a different viewpoint and as people, I think we need to be more open minded to hear them out without being so quick to shut them down bc we dont like nor agree with them.

That said, even though I dont personally believe in abortion, if someone feels the need to have one themselves, then thats their business and no one but them and their god should have to worry about. I have no right to judge anyone for what they choose to do. It's their choice and only they can choose what's right for them. And this is where Elizabeth and I disagree. She doesnt like it, then fine, but dont go forcing your viewpoints on others. When you yell and rant, people tend to not listen. I think people were more inclined to think she looked crazy than take her seriously

there are a number of reasons. Pregnancy lasts about 9 months and thats a long time, considering how the body changes. It's not the most pleasant thing to deal with. Also the longer the child is inside the mother, the more she gets attached to it and the harder it becomes to give the baby away. There are many cases of women planning on giving their child up for adoption but changing their minds once they hold them

Have you ever been pregnant? It's not the easiest thing to go through, physically and mentally, especially if you arent 100% into it. It's easy to judge especially when it's something you will never experience

[watt3213]

As a man this issue isn't all that important to me either.....

but i do have a couple of issues with this thread.....for starters why is elizabeth out of line.....she has a very strong opinion about this topic, is it ok for the other side of the coin to express their views, but not the conservatives?? The media is always forcing certain topics down everyone's throats, and elizabeth happens to be in the minority being a concervative in the media.

Now I agree that if someone was raped, then maybe it is ok for this type of contraceptive, and contraceptives taken before the act are another issue. I agree with the person who suggested adoption, if you are going to take a risk, then you have to face the consequences

Also, someone said that it is sometimes better for the child who may have forced a hard life.......I for one would rather have a hard life than no life at all. At least that way you have a chance to make your life better

[Danni]

Have you seen the adoption system here? It's easier to get a child from overseas than in the U.S. So that's where a lot of families go.

One thing that really bothers me is the argument that a lot of pro-lifers make about adoption, yet I do not see them adopting these kids. Where are they? If they talk about how pregnant women who don't want their kids should adopt, why aren't they taking these kids?

[Cheap21]

I really wish I had the whole clip so you could see the whole picture. The segment started with Barbera reading the headline about the morning after pill becoming over the counter and Elizabeth immediately jumped on it and started yelling out her opinion and how she felt. Joy tried to give different scenearios where its not necesarily about a woman being selfish (the rape and incest example) but Elizabeth was not hearing it and continued to rant and yell. She was out of control the way she was completely dominating, so Barbera had to quiet her. THAT is why she was out of line. It had nothing to do with what she was talking about. It was the way she chose to express herself. Her behavior was immature, unprofessional and overbearing. This has nothing to do with liberal vs conservative. There was NO liberal viewpoint bc Elizabeth wouldnt let anyone give a different opinion on the topic bc she kept yelling everytime someone tried to. This was about how one woman decided to make an ass of herself on tv

[JER Soaps Fan]

Exactly, and that's only natural for women to bond with their babies. That's another reason why abortion makes no sense to me. Even with the abortion, those maternal instincts must still be there, and for many women, they probably will always wonder what the child would have looked like, smelled like, what job they'd take, how far they'd go in life, etc. I just don't see the reason why some people defend something that many women have tearfully railed against after doing. By all these pro-choice and women's rights marches, many women are sold that this is the best option (even if Planned Parenthood, which I believe, recently broke fiscal records, won't admit it,) and many women who fall for it just end up getting hurt. And no one, not one, knows if it will happen to them, if they haven't had an abortion before. No one knows if they'll develop that stress and anxiety after the fact. And for the ones who laugh about it and laugh after the fact, I just shake my head at how desensitized this world has become. Though people can trot out different arguments in favor of it, I can trot out just as many against it. What about father's rights? She may be carrying it, but, property-wise, it's not hers...it's just a very tangled issue and it's sad that it may never be resolved because evidently, both sides are always going to say they're right and that'll be that. Hell, even if technology eventually proves that unborn children experience excruciating pain during an abortion, I bet pro-choice feminists still wouldn't give in. Personal autonomy has taken over, I believe, human dignity, common decency and natural rights. And that's why I say it's not a personal choice and stand against it.

Agreed.