I think Mark Burnett is genious. How he edited Elisabeth into America's Sweetheart is beyond me. She is such a twit.

Kathie Lee Gifford Anyone?

Elisabeth annoys me to no frickin' end. I wished Barbara, Bill, and Frons would have picked a smarter, more confrontational conservative! Or at least Erin Hershey-Presley!

If Debbie became more knowing of politics, then I would welcome her back with open arms(to replace Bitsy, of course). But something tells me that THE VIEW will be discussing a lot more entertainment when Rosie comes in September. I wanna see Debbie and Bitsy get into it. Catfight between the two dumbest VIEW co-hosts ever!

Just get married already, Kells. Unless of course you're afraid your boyfriend WON'T commit.

Assuming that getting married that means he won't cheat is a sad assessment. Just watch Oprah's Down Low Brothers special to figure THAT one out.

Elisa!@#$%^&*] is a control freak, conservative LOSER who is as insecure as the day is long. How dare she cast judgement. Stupid !@#$%^&*]. I find her repugnant, and most conservative types too, the way they love to keep everyone under control... they hate anything different.

I criticized her line that she "feel like she's married." Once again, HA. Girlfriend had no ceremony in front of family and friends. There's no real accountability in the eyes of the public.

Who cares what the public thinks?

Her relationship is nobody's business but her own and her man's.

Obviously, she feels she doesn't need a piece of paper to tell her she's married or not.

JSF, if Tim and Bitsy ever divorce, I'll see if I can hook you two up. Then you can go off in your 1950s, white-bread Americana, rose-colored glasses heaven and leave everyone else to the real world.

I was wondering if you realize how laughable that little slippery slope argument is. I look at porn a lot. Hell, I give my boyfriend porn to look at. Doesn't mean I'm off to find some random orgy.

Notice, Danni, I said for *some* people, this is true. And it's documented. And hell, it's been on national news broadcasts. My point is, no one knows if they'll be the next to end up as a statistic, so I agree with Bitsy--it's better to just stay faithful, 100 percent.

Kathie Lee Gifford Anyone?

Elisabeth annoys me to no frickin' end. I wished Barbara, Bill, and Frons would have picked a smarter, more confrontational conservative! Or at least Erin Hershey-Presley!

If Debbie became more knowing of politics, then I would welcome her back with open arms(to replace Bitsy, of course). But something tells me that THE VIEW will be discussing a lot more entertainment when Rosie comes in September. I wanna see Debbie and Bitsy get into it. Catfight between the two dumbest VIEW co-hosts ever!

Assuming that getting married that means he won't cheat is a sad assessment. Just watch Oprah's Down Low Brothers special to figure THAT one out.

Oh, I know about Op's "down low" special, bell. And I know it doesn't necessarily mean he won't cheat. But it DOES mean he's not afraid to 'make it official.'

Who cares what the public thinks?

Her relationship is nobody's business but her own and her man's.

Obviously, she feels she doesn't need a piece of paper to tell her she's married or not.

Who's talking about a piece of paper, World? I'm talking about "the ring!" That's the most important thing. Without it, her hand is cold and naked.

JSF, if Tim and Bitsy ever divorce, I'll see if I can hook you two up. Then you can go off in your 1950s, white-bread Americana, rose-colored glasses heaven and leave everyone else to the real world.

You know, Bree, I've always wondered why conservative comments are always considered 'old fashioned.' For instance, if everyone abstained from sex until marriage (and marriage was valued as I say it should be), then don't you think the AIDS epidemic would lose a whole heck of a lot of steam? Because I think that's just a fact. The trouble is, liberal politics and 'free love' and the things liberals attack us conservatives for are the things that are bringing this nation to its knees. But don't worry, with age comes wisdom, and I'm sure many liberals, on their deathbeds, will realize how wrong they were.

Notice, Danni, I said for *some* people, this is true. And it's documented. And hell, it's been on national news broadcasts. My point is, no one knows if they'll be the next to end up as a statistic, so I agree with Bitsy--it's better to just stay faithful, 100 percent

Well, swinging is something that's not as simple as finding a reason to sleep with someone else. It's really more complicated than that.

I do think it's all not as simplified as news broadcasts make it out to be. Yes, people should remain faithful, but if Bitsy thinks that her hubby doesn't look at other women, she's as dumb as a bag of rocks. It's human nature.

Well, swinging is something that's not as simple as finding a reason to sleep with someone else. It's really more complicated than that.

I do think it's all not as simplified as news broadcasts make it out to be. Yes, people should remain faithful, but if Bitsy thinks that her hubby doesn't look at other women, she's as dumb as a bag of rocks. It's human nature.

Well, I have to believe that when Elizabeth said "look," she meant it in the general sense. Obviously, EVERYONE 'looks' at other people, regardless of attraction. "Looking" at other people is a requirement to live life, unless of course you are visually impaired. No, I think she meant "looking" at other women in the sense that he looks at them and immediately visualizes screwing them and feeding them sack lunches -- which of course, then gives way to porn, nastier porn and acting out sexual fantasies with other women.

Well, I have to believe that when Elizabeth said "look," she meant it in the general sense. Obviously, EVERYONE 'looks' at other people, regardless of attraction. "Looking" at other people is a requirement to live life, unless of course you are visually impaired. No, I think she meant "looking" at other women in the sense that he looks at them and immediately visualizes screwing them and feeding them sack lunches -- which of course, then gives way to porn, nastier porn and acting out sexual fantasies with other women.

Not really. If he's "looking" at other women with urges to [!@#$%^&*] them, then he's gonna go out to [!@#$%^&*] them, not watch porn. He's a football player, and there are loads of women out there who will certainly agree to [!@#$%^&*] him too. Elisabeth's not with him 24/7, especially with football season. I think Elisabeth's rather deluded.

Methinks that you shouldn't take that cyberSeduction movie so seriously.

I think Mark Burnett is genious. How he edited Elisabeth into America's Sweetheart is beyond me. She is such a twit.

True. America loved her. But I always thought she was a dumb whore.

I was right.

You know, Bree, I've always wondered why conservative comments are always considered 'old fashioned.' For instance, if everyone abstained from sex until marriage (and marriage was valued as I say it should be), then don't you think the AIDS epidemic would lose a whole heck of a lot of steam? Because I think that's just a fact. The trouble is, liberal politics and 'free love' and the things liberals attack us conservatives for are the things that are bringing this nation to its knees. But don't worry, with age comes wisdom, and I'm sure many liberals, on their deathbeds, will realize how wrong they were.

Now I am not Bree, but about the AIDS mention I had to comment. Being married does not protect against HIV/AIDS. Lots of married women have been exposed to the virus because of husbands who cheat or are on the down low.

I am a liberal who thinks that porn can destabilize relationships when it becomes obsessive. I also think it is immature to think that even in the most committed and connected realtionship that both parties do not admire the beauty of others. The road to most adultery stems from unhappiness in the marriage and secrets.

I also think that to argue that just because a couple is not married that their relationship has less value is demeaning.

I wish the View had picked a conservative with the intelligence to keep the round table going. Elizabeth just stops most discussions cold. She comes accross as a phoney.

Now I am not Bree, but about the AIDS mention I had to comment. Being married does not protect against HIV/AIDS. Lots of married women have been exposed to the virus because of husbands who cheat or are on the down low.

I am a liberal who thinks that porn can destabilize relationships when it becomes obsessive. I also think it is immature to think that even in the most committed and connected realtionship that both parties do not admire the beauty of others. The road to most adultery stems from unhappiness in the marriage and secrets.

I also think that to argue that just because a couple is not married that their relationship has less value is demeaning.

I wish the View had picked a conservative with the intelligence to keep the round table going. Elizabeth just stops most discussions cold. She comes accross as a phoney.

I haven't seen Elisabeth in action, but I agree with everything else in your post.

I was wondering if you realize how laughable that little slippery slope argument is. I look at porn a lot. Hell, I give my boyfriend porn to look at. Doesn't mean I'm off to find some random orgy.

Amen!

Quite frankly, I don't think it's anyone's business who we sleep with at the end of the day (except of course if they are minors, animals etc). What Kelly wants to do is up to her. What Elizabeth wants to do is up to her.

Just because someone passes around a Playboy or looks at porn doesn't mean that they will cheat on you. In fact, it can help a relationship. For Elizabeth to think otherwise is just crap. Be openminded. Don't knock it til you try it.

Hey JSF, I love this song about masturbation:

I’m not ashamed of the things that I dream

I find myself flirting with the verge of obscene

Into the unknown, I will be bold

I’m going to places I can be out of control

And I don’t want to explain tonight

All the things I’ve tried to hide

I shut myself out from the world so I

Can draw the blinds and I’ll teach myself to fly

I love myself

It’s not a sin

I can’t control what’s happenin’

‘Cause I just discovered

Imagination’s taking over

Another day without a lover

The more I come to understand

The touch of my hand

From the small of my back and the arch of my feet

Lately I’ve been noticin’ the beautiful me

I’m all in my skin and I’m not gonna wait

I’m into myself in the most precious way

And I don’t want to explain tonight

All the things I’ve tried to hide

I shut myself out from the world so I

Can draw the blinds and I’ll teach myself to fly

‘Cause I just discovered

Imagination’s taking over

Another day without a lover

The more I come to understand

The touch of my hand

There’s a world undefined

In my body and mind

I won’t be left behind

I’m already here

‘Cause I just discovered

Imagination’s taking over

Another day without a lover

The more I come to understand

The touch of my hand

‘Cause I just discovered

Imagination’s taking over

Another day without a lover

The more I come to understand

The touch of my hand