Zach and Ryan are not alike in any facet. They may both act outside acceptable boundaries but Zach does not excuse his actions with self righteous, holier than thou judgments. Zach is a man; not half of one who uses the past to sustain his inability to accept personal responsibility. Ryan, you're not a BASTARD because of your Daddy-it's all on you.

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Zach and Ryan are not alike in any facet. They may both act outside acceptable boundaries but Zach does not excuse his actions with self righteous, holier than thou judgments. Zach is a man; not half of one who uses the past to sustain his inability to accept personal responsibility. Ryan, you're not a father because of your Daddy-it's all on you.

HAHA, Good one Q

Thank you, Rem.

well thats your opinion and mine is that yes they are alike in some ways. zach is no more a man than any other flawed character on the show. he's such a man huh? is that why he married his son's fiance out from under him? is that why he lied to kendall and let her be trashed by her family & friends at thanksgiving when he knew the truth? the way you guys trash ryan constantly i could swear he was a threat to your couple, but nah he couldn't be,LOL

I didn't deny you your opinion, Mel. I only expressed one contraray to yours.

Furthermore, I didn't deify Zach in my previous post. I ackowledge that he is flawed without listing his many misdeeds. However, I did specifically denote that Zach does not sbscribe to self worshiping hypocrisy. He is a man about his. He claims his wrongs and does not shift the blame to an abusive father, brain tumor or the man in the moon. The same can't be said for Ryan who carries on with a bogus armor of righteousness. He faked being dead, abused his wife, etc simply because he assumed that he was entitled because he is St. Ryan. I don't know which gospel he's reading from, but Ryan Lavery is not the second coming. He's no where near the firt; matter of fact, he won't even be the last since he's just a Judist wearing a mask of chilvary. He lives so far Erica's ass that he believes her [!@#$%^&*] must be scented and the fumes have gone to his head.

I doubt he trly loves Kendall; it's simply guilt carried over from Greenlee and his fixation to be in Kendall's life.

Also, I trash Ryan becase he's a false, pious, shoved down my throat jackass. I wouldn't look his way if he bought all the copies of my book. Although, I would say "Thank you. Ass." and happily be on my way.

what are you taklking about? Ryan has tried to make things right since the garden gnome left. Zach is the one who never apologizes for anything and acts like his crap don't stink.i don't think either one of them is perfect and i didn't excuse ryan's horrible behaviour before.i just think that zach is no more a man than anyone else on this show.

Ryan doesn't apologize. He acts justified.

I jumped off s cliff because I couldn't handle you being sperminated Greens! It's YOUR fault!

Kendall, it's your fault Greenlee left town because it's your egg!

I can't be father because my Daddy beat me!

Jonathan is a psycho because Daddy beat him too

I could go on, but the litanies are excessive. Overall, I find Ryan to be offensive and a real jerk. At least Zach spares me his rationalizations as to why he's a bad ass. He simply is. He's also friggin' hot.

But it's cool. To each their own perspective.

I agree with everything you said Q Steph

Now if Ryan were to put Kendall's happiness before anything else, I might start to believe that he's truly trying to make amends.

Anyways we're really off topic. Anyone else looking forward to Bianca returning?

Yeah, I'm looking forward to Bianca coming back. I can't wait for Erica do go off on her for not taking her side. Also I will be sooooo glad when Kendall wakes up and gives her man a proper THANK YOU

I think Erica's head might really explode when Ryan sides with Zach, and then Bianca basically sides with Zach

I wish Bianca would either stay in France or get her own s/l & not come on for a couple of weeks to sing Zach's praises.

I don't see anything sexy about a man who would stand behind a woman & let everyone go at her like Zach did at the Thanksgiving dinner and the way he went after his son's lover to get back at him ,all the time denying him & now since his son'e death he has had sex with the same woman his son & brother also had sex with. I do not call that romantic.

Has Zach already forgotten his son? Has he been to his son's grave since he has been buried or is he too busy chasing after a pretty young thing to make himself feel younger?

AMC has become The Zach Show! What he does no matter how stupid (like waving a gun in a hospital room) is praised & other characters are always wrong.

I do not think he is sexy & what I do think of him can't be posted here!

I wish Bianca would either stay in France or get her own s/l & not come on for a couple of weeks to sing Zach's praises.

I don't see anything sexy about a man who would stand behind a woman & let everyone go at her like Zach did at the Thanksgiving dinner and the way he went after his son's lover to get back at him ,all the time denying him & now since his son'e death he has had sex with the same woman his son & brother also had sex with. I do not call that romantic.

Has Zach already forgotten his son? Has he been to his son's grave since he has been buried or is he too busy chasing after a pretty young thing to make himself feel younger?

AMC has become The Zach Show! What he does no matter how stupid (like waving a gun in a hospital room) is praised & other characters are always wrong.

I do not think he is sexy & what I do think of him can't be posted here!

Bianca is in town for her sister, and it looks like she is returning to prop Ryan, I mean everyone else does, why not add Bianca to the mix as well

I see how quickly some like to forget that Kendall slept with Jonathan while she was with Ryan, so if you're going to knock Zach for being with her, then you need to knock Ryan too.

You're kidding me right? The show is the Babe/JR/Ryan hour, those 3 have been shoved down our throats more than anyone else.

I don't see anything romantic about a man(Ryan) who calls the woman he's supposed to love a souless cancer, and about bashing her jaw in, and driving her to want to commit suicide, and a man who slams his wife up against a dresser.

Oh yeah Ryan's such a man, this is the same man who drove off a cliff to avoid being a father He's indirectly responsible for Greenlee's miscarriage too

Yay! Steph gave me a sig quote again!

Edit: I made lots of changes to my sig/avatar, but just know that I loved it! lol.

That's an awesome quote, Go Steph

Ryan has been impressing me lately and along with that the writers. Ryan and slowly morphed back into shades of what he was before the poison pen of Megan McTavish decimated him. He is no longer the egotistical jerk he once was. He is acting rational and not jumping off the walls shouting.... and the fact that he is going to back off and side with Zach tells me he finally does put Kendall's happiness ahead of his own. Wow. I can't believe how soft I am going on Ryan but man I've really enjoyed the direction the character is taking the last couple of weeks. Erica is being written has the bad guy in this whole thing. I commend the writers for toning Ryan down. Its actually finally getting back to what made the character at one point lovable. But there is still ALONG ways to go...