35 minutes ago, ranger1rg said:

That story is giving "We really don't want to punish Hayley."

Personally, I love Marquita Goings in this role and I’ll be saddened to see her leave the show. So, with that in mind, I am a bit forgiving of the writers for stalling the poisoning plot. I figure when Hayley is exposed, she’s leaving the show soon afterwards and I don’t want her to go. That being said, YES they need to advance this storyline. Hayley was revealed to be a scammer back in OCTOBER. It’s over half a year later and the only advancement in the storyline is that Lynette has come and gone and now we are back to square one — Hayley brazenly poisoning Bill’s drinks in public. 🙄

3 hours ago, DramatistDreamer said:

One comment regarding ATWT and that aspect of 'before & after Gunnar' for Barbara...well, different writers so yeah, Barbara was bound to be written differently. It wasn't Gunnar who caused Barbara's evolution from "doormat" ex-wife of James Stenbeck to vixen, it was the failed relationships that culminated with the breakup with Brian and seeing Brian quickly move on with Shannon, a woman Barbara dislike, that help shift Barbara to a vixen. Barbara even says this to a back from the dead James when she gloats that she's no longer a doormat, she's an even match for him. An excellent scene, written by the late great Douglas Marland.

It was 100% the great Douglas Marlard. #2 for me right behind #1 Henry Slesar.

17 minutes ago, P.J. said:

Ugh...those fantasies of Barbara's. HORRIBLE

Agreed. Barbara was beautiful, but blah at that point.

There doesn't have to be an event for stuff to happen, just better pacing of the stories.

The Bill/Hayley story should have been planned to have several reveals along the way. And when the story gains some movement-the poisoning, Lynette's arrival, there is no follow through.

Same with Leslie- the reveal that she ran over Laura was Wk1 and here we are over a year later and nothing. Now she just struts around mouthing off at everyone.

If the plan was to keep Hayley and Leslie, then the story should have been structured for that, so they had an option to keep them around in a viable way-not just delaying/forgetting stuff that happened.

My other note is the lack of triangles-that old soap staple. There's a hint of it with Hayley/Dani/Bill-but nobody is acting on it.

And Nicole/Ted/Kial/Carlton again isn't played strongly enough-Ted/Carlton are not adversaries, Nicole doesn't seem overly serious about Kial or Carlton.

Kat/Eva/Tomas was dropped as was Ashley/Derek/Andre.

Martin/Smitty, Jacob/Naomi, Joey/Vanessa, Madison/Chelsea, Eva/Isaiah don't have any third party creating conflict.

Not that every relationship should have that, but at least one strong triangle should be incorporated.

I am finally caught up on this week's episodes and they did not disappoint.

I loved the Cotillion episodes. It reminded me when my older brother was an escort for a family friend and all the rehearsals he had to go to.

I'm sad Derek died but Jen Jacob is doing a really great job. After Derek & Ashley finally broke up I began to like both characters. I loved the bickering between Derek and Leslie.

I really like Jordi Vilasuso on the show and I hope his roll continues to expand