1 minute ago, Vee said:

I think they might. I also don't care.

Neither does Frank, lol.

Maybe it's because I've been binge-watching "Law & Order" lately, but I don't believe I've ever seen a more boring or inconsequential hooker sex worker than Jacinda. (BTW, is "Jacinda" really her name, or is that just her "hooker name"?)

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28 minutes ago, Liberty City said:

I've also said she runs with a business mindset, not a creative one.

I’m going to challenge you a bit here. She was notorious for running show budgets out of control, and firing actors/vets to pay for it. Especially at GH. OLTL was believed to be very much under budget for years under Frank and they were penalized with cancellation while Jill got away with issues with her budget. Her storytelling instincts at GH, paired with Guza and not, cost the show millions of viewers and for all their faults, Frank and Ron brought the show back up to like mid 2000’s numbers.

As far as a woman in a man’s world, let’s look at her peers. In the 1990’s you had Wendy Riche, Francesca James, Jean Dadario Burke, JHC, Susan Bedsow Horgan, and I am probably missing a couple here or there. Not all of these people had successful tenures, but none of them also had as much difficulty working with women talent. I am not privy to backstage stuff at other levels like her producers, directors, etc. But JFP forced women out at every show and let men get away with murder. I am sure Robin Strasser can be difficult. But she doesn’t hold a candle to Tony Geary or Maurice Benard. Kale Brown was hated by his coworkers IIRC, but HBS was the one who felt punished for asking questions and wanting to know where Nora’s brain went. She fired a woman on maternity leave.

As far as learning her lesson, she freely admitted multiple times in recent history that the lesson she learned from Maureen on GL was it was fine to kill her, they just shouldn’t have made the audience care about her so much before they did it. She doesn’t understand her audience or what damage she does to shows.

I am sure she has had to deal with a lot of crap in her career. She knows how to win Emmy’s, although I remember her bloc voting being a bone of contention with soap journalists and fans. But I don’t think she is unfairly targeted with criticism. I feel the same way about Paul Rauch by the way. His talent as EP is mired by his creative choices and the way he treats women for me.

24 minutes ago, Vee said:

I think they might. I also don't care.

She is not strong enough to support this story! Both Michael and Kristina deserve better!

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10 minutes ago, Khan said:

Maybe it's because I've been binge-watching "Law & Order" lately, but I don't believe I've ever seen a more boring or inconsequential hooker sex worker than Jacinda. (BTW, is "Jacinda" really her name, or is that just her "hooker name"?)

What I don’t get is the Michael of it all. You have a very successful recast, incredibly attractive man who is doing good work at the show and you pair him with a dayplayer. They should have been building up a new love interest that was real for him the second they saw he was working.

2 minutes ago, titan1978 said:

What I don’t get is the Michael of it all. You have a very successful recast, incredibly attractive man who is doing good work at the show and you pair him with a dayplayer. They should have been building up a new love interest that was real for him the second they saw he was working.

It's criminal. I'd bring on at least two women to potentially put with him or spin one off elsewhere (one being Serena Baldwin). This is Soaps 101 but Frank doesn't do it anymore. And hasn't in years, really. He brings on one person or recast and then tries his best to just play the angles within the existing show and cast he loves having around. They created Patrick for Robin when she returned. They made sure Dante was fleshed out for Lulu and a character in his own right. Jax was a real option for first Lois and then Brenda. I can go on. Then there's the Monty era, which speaks for itself.

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15 minutes ago, titan1978 said:

I’m going to challenge you a bit here. She was notorious for running show budgets out of control, and firing actors/vets to pay for it. Especially at GH. OLTL was believed to be very much under budget for years under Frank and they were penalized with cancellation while Jill got away with issues with her budget. Her storytelling instincts at GH, paired with Guza and not, cost the show millions of viewers and for all their faults, Frank and Ron brought the show back up to like mid 2000’s numbers.

And I have never denied Frank's ability to bring GH back from the brink of its ending in 2012. Yes, even the writer is part of that. But clearly, Frank's leadership held a lot of that weight. I never denied Frank's leadership; I supported him until the last few years when I began to see significant flaws in his approach. However, GH was kept during the AMC/OLTL ending era because of its performance on digital platforms and [supposedly] its lower production costs in comparison to the other two. It was viewed as a stronger financial entity in comparison. Of course ABC had their eyes on GH following the ending of those two shows, but GH was able to rebound and outperform itself.

21 minutes ago, titan1978 said:

As far as a woman in a man’s world, let’s look at her peers. In the 1990’s you had Wendy Riche, Francesca James, Jean Dadario Burke, JHC, Susan Bedsow Horgan, and I am probably missing a couple here or there. Not all of these people had successful tenures, but none of them also had as much difficulty working with women talent. I am not privy to backstage stuff at other levels like her producers, directors, etc. But JFP forced women out at every show and let men get away with murder. I am sure Robin Strasser can be difficult. But she doesn’t hold a candle to Tony Geary or Maurice Benard. Kale Brown was hated by his coworkers IIRC, but HBS was the one who felt punished for asking questions and wanting to know where Nora’s brain went. She fired a woman on maternity leave.

Unfortunately, I cannot speak on anything regarding OLTL, as I hated that soap with a fiery passion and never followed it. All I know is that soap, outside of the Frank/writer era, was superior.

21 minutes ago, titan1978 said:

As far as learning her lesson, she freely admitted multiple times in recent history that the lesson she learned from Maureen on GL was it was fine to kill her, they just shouldn’t have made the audience care about her so much before they did it. She doesn’t understand her audience or what damage she does to shows.

That's not what Jill said, though, regarding Maureen. What she did say was that it was okay to kill a role off so long as you avoid making the audience care about the character; in the process of killing Maureen, they made the audience care more about her. But she's admitted she made the mistake of killing off the character. She's owned up to that and has apologised for doing so multiple times.

33 minutes ago, Khan said:

Maybe it's because I've been binge-watching "Law & Order" lately, but I don't believe I've ever seen a more boring or inconsequential hooker sex worker than Jacinda. (BTW, is "Jacinda" really her name, or is that just her "hooker name"?)

At least she isn't a child named Donna. 😬

31 minutes ago, titan1978 said:

What I don’t get is the Michael of it all. You have a very successful recast, incredibly attractive man who is doing good work at the show and you pair him with a dayplayer. They should have been building up a new love interest that was real for him the second they saw he was working.

ICAM!

33 minutes ago, titan1978 said:

What I don’t get is the Michael of it all. You have a very successful recast, incredibly attractive man who is doing good work at the show and you pair him with a dayplayer. They should have been building up a new love interest that was real for him the second they saw he was working.

Recast Jacinda with a veteran actress or bring in a new/return character with a veteran actress for Michael? I agree Rory was a phenomenal choice and definitely the best recast in the last 10 years of the soaps.

To be honest @Liberty City I stay on Frank’s neck almost as much as I do JFP for his banality. In an ideal world an innovative EP that was neither of them is running GH and Y&R. But at least some of his problems got fixed for him, namely Roger Howarth and Michael Easton being back back back again, and nobody having any real conflicts onscreen. So while I feel better about him than Jill as EP, I still wish for better!

Just now, titan1978 said:

To be honest @Liberty City I stay on Frank’s neck almost as much as I do JFP for his banality. In an ideal world an innovative EP that was neither of them is running GH and Y&R. But at least some of his problems got fixed for him, namely Roger Howarth and Michael Easton being back back back again, and nobody having any real conflicts onscreen. So while I feel better about him than Jill as EP, I still wish for better!

Titan, rest assured, we are in agreement. I wish better for both soaps, especially GH right now. But I just don't see either soap truly changing, especially Y&R, whose biggest issue is its writing.

3 minutes ago, Rocket Man said:

Recast Jacinda with a veteran actress or bring in a new/return character with a veteran actress for Michael? I agree Rory was a phenomenal choice and definitely the best recast in the last 10 years of the soaps.

The idea of Jacinda was a good one based on Michael’s history with sex workers and his own traumas. But the story is DOA now. They should have cast a stronger actor to be paired with him. They could have hired a stronger actor, had her be Jacinda’s best friend/roommate and maybe modernize and say she does her sex work online only. Everything up to the false alibi can stay. Sidwell kills Jacinda and now Michael feels guilty thinking it’s tied to Drew or Willow, and he ends up helping her friend and roommate, leading to eventual romance.

Every single story thought, especially on a soap, should be does this have legs to create more story. Even the Nina angle at Crimson became a dead end. Tell stories!

Kill her. Done.

11 minutes ago, Vee said:

Kill her. Done.

Co-sign.