BTG: June 2025 Discussion Thread

@Taoboi Thank you for speaking on the lack of POV from Nicole. You are not wrong. I had issues with it since the anniversary party. Glad we could agree on that!

Just now, Maxim said:

He'll be even less problematic if they strip him down to skimpy summer attire.

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Not gonna lie, Im here for the throuple

13 hours ago, DemetriKane said:

MVJ is starting to talk a little slick on her socials.

I don't like MVJ's post, and yeah, I realize I don't matter and she doesn't care.

She clearly has the agency and the right to post whatever she likes, but I don't think this is helpful to the show. I don't think it helps anything. Her last hashtag, #loveyallanyway, would have been better as the overall tone -- sort of a "Bless you hearts" message.

Instead, starting with "y'all don't think we plan this shi_t out" is aggressive, and the bottom line is it won't stop complaints about the show. It's close to the kind of post that gets deleted after a time.

At least we know production sees our comments. I would tell them to appreciate the praise and to at least listen to the complaints. Take it all in to make the show better.

It's great to let your actors and crew and staff know they've got your back, but I don't think this is the best way.

Some people here were offended by a comparison to Ron Carlivati fighting with viewers, but I think that comparison is fair. I don't want to see MVJ argue with social media, and I don't want her on some Carlivati path.

I'm on the record as a huge Michele Val Jean fan. She's a daytime legend and story of daytime cannot be written without her name. That's why I don't want her to resort to posts like this.

1 hour ago, Cheap21 said:

Naomi needs to STOP letting Ashley play in her face. She is really gonna cancel on a dinner meeting with a PAYING client to deal with that heffa's melodramatics? Naomi is rude and dead wrong to her client who is getting dressed and making her way to FC any minute

begs the question: why — why — must naomi meet clients, whose conversations with her are PRIVILEGED!, at the country club or coffee shop instead of her office —  like a real lawyer?

same for vernon and martin. i know the # of sets is a $$ issue. but, at least these two could meet at the depree manse, where discussing what’s supposed to be a secret could not be overheard? 

1 hour ago, Maxim said:

He'll be even less problematic if they strip him down to skimpy summer attire.

😁

AHHHH...another good point. We haven't really gotten many "man-candy" shots on this show! What's up with that?? LOL

20 minutes ago, ranger1rg said:

I don't like MVJ's post, and yeah, I realize I don't matter and she doesn't care.

She clearly has the agency and the right to post whatever she likes, but I don't think this is helpful to the show. I don't think it helps anything. Her last hashtag, #loveyallanyway, would have been better as the overall tone -- sort of a "Bless you hearts" message.

Instead, starting with "y'all don't think we plan this shi_t out" is aggressive, and the bottom line is it won't stop complaints about the show. It's close to the kind of post that gets deleted after a time.

At least we know production sees our comments. I would tell them to appreciate the praise and to at least listen to the complaints. Take it all in to make the show better.

It's great to let your actors and crew and staff know they've got your back, but I don't think this is the best way.

Some people here were offended by a comparison to Ron Carlivati fighting with viewers, but I think that comparison is fair. I don't want to see MVJ argue with social media, and I don't want her on some Carlivati path.

I'm on the record as a huge Michele Val Jean fan. She's a daytime legend and story of daytime cannot be written without her name. That's why I don't want her to resort to posts like this.

I kinda felt a little disappointed by her posting, too. I mean...it's a soap! You're ALWAYS going to have viewers with differing opinions on how it should go. The point is that they're TALKING ABOUT IT! When they stop talking about the show, that's when you need to worry! 

Plus, it's the first year of the show. I would think it would be essential to hear what viewers think so far, so that you can adjust as needed. Some things, such as Derek and Ashley, clearly aren't working no matter how you try to spin it. The characters really didn't work from Episode 1. I still think those two characters were sort of forced into the show by the network who wanted at least one white couple, so they're not very thought out. There's a lot I like about the show, but, of course, it's not going to be perfect!

The comment sort of came of as "I don't care if you like the show or watch it and your opinions don't matter as an audience." Not a good vibe. Maybe MVJ was having a bad day or something.

Vanessa had some nerve today. 

26 minutes ago, 1974mdp said:

The comment sort of came of as "I don't care if you like the show or watch it and your opinions don't matter as an audience." Not a good vibe. Maybe MVJ was having a bad day or something.

I didn't read it that way. My *interpretation* of what MVJ said:
I think she intended to say something like

• paraphrased in my own words, guessing what she's thinking
  "I'm aware of the complaints about some storylines fading out or feeling inconsistent, and I want to reassure you that there is a longterm plan, and.... that some things that seem to make no sense now, do fit into a larger overview, and will make sense eventually. And I do know what I'm doing."

I mean maybe she was a bit gruff in how she said it, but I don't think she intended to be gruff.  She follows a lot of social media accounts of ordinary soap fans, and she's aware of the feedback.  If she didn't care what viewers thought, she wouldn't read their thoughts.

Edited June 17Jun 17 by janea4old

1 minute ago, janea4old said:

I didn't read it that way. My *interpretation* of what MVJ said:
"I'm aware of the complaints about some storylines fading out or feeling inconsistent, and I want to reassure you that there is a longterm plan, and.... that some things that seem to make no sense now, do fit into a larger overview, and will make sense eventually. And I do know what I'm doing."
I mean maybe she was a bit gruff in how she said it, but I don't think she intended to be gruff.  She follows a lot of social media accounts of ordinary soap fans, and she's aware of the feedback.  If she didn't care what viewers thought, she wouldn't read their thoughts.

Completely agree with this. 

17 minutes ago, Antoyne said:

Vanessa had some nerve today. 

LOL..she's a City Girl and City Girls know how to get the bag

 

55 minutes ago, 1974mdp said:

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Plus, it's the first year of the show. I would think it would be essential to hear what viewers think so far, so that you can adjust as needed. Some things, such as Derek and Ashley, clearly aren't working no matter how you try to spin it. The characters really didn't work from Episode 1. I still think those two characters were sort of forced into the show by the network who wanted at least one white couple, so they're not very thought out. There's a lot I like about the show, but, of course, it's not going to be perfect!

 

They were actually in her story bible when the show was being developed... but I view them as the 'token' happy couple that are perfect for one another on paper... but in reality, the two are not as perfect for one another as one would think.

I predict that they aren't end game and were never meant to be end game (i.e Brooke Logan and her first boyfriend Dave Reed on B & B were never meant to be end game... and I think Derek/Ashley will be like that as well... if the show hurries up and breaks them up completely.. that is).

@TaoboiIn regards to Joey/Vanessa/Doug.. my little heart is happy to see them on this week.. but I was hoping for at least one episode last week where Vanessa talks to Nicole/Dani about Joey and basically admit they were right and maybe she could have participated in the pottery therapy session.  It would have made the last two episodes make more sense with her renewed confidence and trying to get back into the drivers seat after being played by both Joey and Doug.

Those flashbacks today made me think about how dramatic things could have been if Martin's secret involved having an affair with Marcal two years ago, lol.

I enjoyed Agent Bradley on the case. Crisp, clean, smart & stealthy.

I need more Vanessa and Doug toxic relationship. I know MVJ could fill us in on all their messy history later!

42 minutes ago, Soaplovers said:

 

@TaoboiIn regards to Joey/Vanessa/Doug.. my little heart is happy to see them on this week.. but I was hoping for at least one episode last week where Vanessa talks to Nicole/Dani about Joey and basically admit they were right and maybe she could have participated in the pottery therapy session.  It would have made the last two episodes make more sense with her renewed confidence and trying to get back into the drivers seat after being played by both Joey and Doug.

Oh wow, that would have been interesting.

1 hour ago, Soaplovers said:

I was hoping for at least one episode last week where Vanessa talks to Nicole/Dani about Joey and basically admit they were right and maybe she could have participated in the pottery therapy session.  It would have made the last two episodes make more sense with her renewed confidence and trying to get back into the drivers seat after being played by both Joey and Doug.

Yes that would have been good. 

I thought Doug was the MVP today. I was like Dougie!!

Yes Doug was fire today!  I was glad to see it, and feel it.

Same. Great change of pace for the character of Doug. He and Vanessa operated more as a team, and I greatly appreciated it.