31 minutes ago, carolineg said:

You and I have had this discussion, but there is no reason his mother had to be Diana in the first place.  Diana made sense for 1 story arc-pretending John was Leo's father.  Since John wasn't actually the father and all Diana did is try to kill Marlena, something that different characters do on a yearly basis, the whole thing was pointless.

When Diana left, in watching her exit, there was this look on her face that made me believe she "switched" into a more conniving personality.

So, I looked up "George Hazard", Ron's being clever. For me, though, it would have resonated with me if he'd used a reference from CHARMED, not reaching all the way back to the mini-series NORTH AND SOUTH. Although, it's true, CHARMED also was a long time ago. 

23 minutes ago, Liberty City said:

When Diana left, in watching her exit, there was this look on her face that made me believe she "switched" into a more conniving personality.

Sure, I can buy that.  A shady, scheming, con woman is one thing.  An abusive, murdering POS who tortured her son because he exists is another.   Diana as a grey character is fine.  I even believe she might try to swindle John for money.  The OTT mess we have as Diana currently is not believable.  Could you imagine Genie playing any of this?

13 minutes ago, carolineg said:

Sure, I can buy that.  A shady, scheming, con woman is one thing.  An abusive, murdering POS who tortured her son because he exists is another.   Diana as a grey character is fine.  I even believe she might try to swindle John for money.  The OTT mess we have as Diana currently is not believable.  Could you imagine Genie playing any of this?

Currently I cannot stand Judith Chapman either here as Diana or on Y&R as Gloria. Both characters are way way ott without any nuance at all. Genie wouldn't be caught dead in this role, today I mean. Her whole point on DAYS is to prop Leo Stark. It hasn't worked so far & I don't see it working in the future, either.

Previously I did not judge Judith Chapman negatively at all. I realize it's not her doing. It's the writing. But either way it stinks to high heaven.

Random coincidence that two conversations on this page tie together.   Yes James Read played George Hazzard on North and South.  Genie Francis played his sister-in-law in that series.  Jonathan Frakes played Read's brother and Genie's husband, and then Jonathan and Genie married in real life.

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Just now, janea4old said:

Random coincidence that two conversations on this page tie together.   Yes James Read played George Hazzard on North and South.  Genie Francis played his sister-in-law in that series.

Isn't that where she met her husband? (Apropos of nothing, really, sorry, got carried away.)

5 minutes ago, Contessa Donatella said:

Isn't that where she met her husband? (Apropos of nothing, really, sorry, got carried away.)

Genie and Jonathan met on Bare Essence but worked more closely on North and South and their marriage resulted from that.  (and yes I got carried away, too)

4 minutes ago, janea4old said:

Genie and Jonathan met on Bare Essence but worked more closely on North and South and their marriage resulted from that.  (and yes I got carried away, too)

I was a huge fan of the mini-series when it first came out. Loved Sho-Gun, Thorn Birds, Bare Essence and even North & South.

I thought Judith Chapman's best work was as Ginny Blake on GH.   

Her work as Anjelica on DAYS was acceptable but not as great as Jane Elliot.

Judith's character Gloria on Y&R was written as over-the-top, so she played it as written but I didn't enjoy the character.  On Y&R, Gloria is the mother of Rikaart's character Kevin,
but it was stupid to bring her to DAYS as the mother of Rikaart's Leo.

Ron just propping Leo by doing this crossover that didn't work.

I mean Judith played Diana as Ron wrote her, but I hate how he wrote her.

 

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It feels more logical if Leo was Diana's brother (given the actor's 10-year age difference), and they were both raised by Diana's evil mother, who we saw be actually evil on the show.  BTW, I know the age difference isn't exactly ten years, but GF is still too young to be his mother.

Then, Leo could've had a vendetta against the Kiriakis family as his primary motivation.  Rather than involving John, who was totally innocent in the Diana storyline.

I feel like GR's most effective performance on Y&R was when he was a creep, rather than a 'lovable scamp'.  So, it would be nice if the creepy parts of Leo were his primary feature.

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21 minutes ago, janea4old said:

I thought Judith Chapman's best work was as Ginny Blake on GH.   

Her work as Anjelica on DAYS was acceptable but not as great as Jane Elliot.

Judith's character Gloria on Y&R was written as over-the-top, so she played it as written but I didn't enjoy the character.  On Y&R, Gloria is the mother of Rikaart's character Kevin,
but it was stupid to bring her to DAYS as the mother of Rikaart's Leo.

Ron just propping Leo by doing this crossover that didn't work.

I mean Judith played Diana as Ron wrote her, but I hate how he wrote her.

 

I agree 98%. 2% is because I wasn't watching GH yet when she was on there so I have no opinion on that. I would add that a long while back her Gloria didn't seem to me to be SO ott. At least then I found it to be tolerable. But, the last time I saw her Gloria, I was appalled. Ron is not doing anyone any favors with this particular cr*pola.

 

2 hours ago, Contessa Donatella said:

Yes, I thought KA's time on the show was too brief. I truly do not understand why they didn't have her there for the ceremony. What was that about? Of course, I sincerely thought they should've had Peter Reckell there as well. I also was glad that Hope put D3 on notice. Julie has been nothing but accepting, so for someone to warn him was a needed thing. 

I think Kristain said in an interview there was a scheduling conflict which meant she couldn't film those scenes.

13 minutes ago, Contessa Donatella said:

a long while back her Gloria didn't seem to me to be SO ott. At least then I found it to be tolerable. But, the last time I saw her Gloria, I was appalled.

True, when Chapman played Gloria as John Abbott's wife, in opposition to Eileen Davidson as her stepdaughter Ashley, Chapman played Gloria as OTT sometimes but with unexpected moments of nuance and vulnerability.  Gloria was her own person back then.

More recently Gloria has been written as only OTT.  Chapman does what she can but it's poor material.  And she's aired only a few times in the past several years.

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2 hours ago, Contessa Donatella said:

To me, Stefan is no impediment. He is outta there, not expecting to see him return, at least not any time soon. The way looks clear to me for JJ & Gabi. They even seem to suit one another. 

I just expect them to follow up on that storyline someday because of how it ended. Either with BB or a recast. 

2 hours ago, carolineg said:

You and I have had this discussion, but there is no reason his mother had to be Diana in the first place.  Diana made sense for 1 story arc-pretending John was Leo's father.  Since John wasn't actually the father and all Diana did is try to kill Marlena, something that different characters do on a yearly basis, the whole thing was pointless.

To add insult to injury for Diana the show has made her this evil villain with no redeeming characteristics.  I think anyone could understand being frustrated about giving birth to a child that ended up like Leo, but c'mon, she has zero nuance and is nothing like Diana was in the 80's.  Not to mention, JC is a horrible recast.   

The unnecessary detail we get from Leo about his abusive childhood is just to gain Leo sympathy.   Diana, as played by Genie, was of course undefined and it's doubtful many fans even remember her, but this Leo stuff has ruined her.   It also makes John look like an idiot because he was going to marry her lol.

Agreed.

I’m still watching 1988, and every time I see an episode with Diana in it… tbh, it’s almost sad what was done to her.

31 minutes ago, AbcNbc247 said:

I just expect them to follow up on that storyline someday because of how it ended. Either with BB or a recast. 

You could be right. I never liked Stefan. I can't explain it since I did like Jake. And, it is intriguing because they are from Vivian. 

31 minutes ago, AbcNbc247 said:

I’m still watching 1988, and every time I see an episode with Diana in it… tbh, it’s almost sad what was done to her.

I think you'd be in the clear leaving out the word "almost".