6 minutes ago, Vee said:

I do believe there were plans for Gio and Trina initially, and IIRC he was specifically promoted as a new man for Trina at one point (I think) and indicated some interest in her early on onscreen, but that all died on the vine and then got scrapped once Mulcahey was gone. Of course we don't know whose idea the character was anyway - I think he may have been another of those random separate auditions Frank liked and decided to make a character for, but don't quote me. (Which is a common soap opera practice to be fair, but FV has enough characters as is.) I still think in hindsight they should've simply recast Spencer immediately which would've kept the show (and PM) in a stronger position in the spring, and I think Giovanni Mazza might've been capable of it. But we'll never know now, and I think keeping Sprina out of commission suits both FV and the network's preferences.

You could tell whatever may have been wanted with Gio and Trina was dumped by Frank or whoever immediately as Gio was mooning over Joss (no idea if that is still a thing).

The worst part is I remain convinced we will hear of a Spencer recast about a week after Trina leaves.

10 minutes ago, DRW50 said:

You could tell whatever may have been wanted with Gio and Trina was dumped by Frank or whoever immediately as Gio was mooning over Joss (no idea if that is still a thing).

I do think there were a lot of plans percolating over Gio early on - the constant mentions of his being an orphan, of his secret dead hero dad, etc. I suspect there was some creative tug of war over the character, over maybe testing him with Joss instead of Trina, etc. and then once Mulcahey was gone they seemed to toss most of it period and move on to other things. Their attention span seems extremely erratic even for this team lately. I can't tell if they've actually dropped or even concluded the Wagger saga.

I do wonder if the Dante/BLQ secret child hints around Gio will actually return, which wouldn't shock me though I'd hate that for all of them.

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The worst part is I remain convinced we will hear of a Spencer recast about a week after Trina leaves.

Me too, at this point.

5 hours ago, DRW50 said:

But I'm not sure he is meant to be seen that way, and it doesn't do much for Willow that she went along.

I'm reminded of when JFP used a story about a dead Vietnamese child to justify John committing adultery with Felicia on AW.

She also initiated the sex, not him.

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I agree that Gio was intended for a romance with Trina. When they began to get more heavily involved in this "hard reset" for some unknown reason they apparently changed their minds & decided not to go forward with Romantic Trio.

I am dubious about them setting her up with a jock. But, we'll see. 

Of course, my bias could be a part of my thoughts because I was frankly enamored of this idea of her dating a son or a grandson (or greatgranson?) of Justus Ward's.

4 hours ago, Vee said:

There were rumors at the time that a fight with Joss would lead to Kristina miscarrying. It would've been an ideal and organic way to go but of course didn't happen.

I do believe there were plans for Gio and Trina initially, and IIRC he was specifically promoted as a new man for Trina at one point (I think) and indicated some interest in her early on onscreen, but that all died on the vine and then got scrapped once Mulcahey was gone. Of course we don't know whose idea the character was anyway - I think he may have been another of those random separate auditions Frank liked and decided to make a character for, but don't quote me. (Which is a common soap opera practice to be fair, but FV has enough characters as is.) I still think in hindsight they should've simply recast Spencer immediately which would've kept the show (and PM) in a stronger position in the spring, and I think Giovanni Mazza might've been capable of it. But we'll never know now, and I think keeping Sprina out of commission suits both FV and the network's preferences.

I do think Drew is genuinely mourning Sam. I just think it's played poorly by both Cameron and the writing.

Why does the network oppose Sprina?

43 minutes ago, Aragorn said:

Why does the network oppose Sprina?

They're an example of systemic organizational racism. Wait, I'm sorry, I answered the question as if it was about Trina but you're asking about Sprina. More complicated. Half is Spencer, a Cassadine & as far as I can tell the Cassadine moratorium is still on.  Then, with Trina, we're back to the institutionalized racism.

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11 hours ago, Vee said:

It's depressing that even DAYS has changed creative hands but at GH Frank's crew has an iron grip.

It's very depressing; the only changes we've received this year are a writing change, and then a half-reversal of that change. I cannot recall a same-year writing change, or a change like that in recent years. As hands-in as I fully believe Disney-ABC Television are... I also question where their hands are. It should be starting at the top, with Frank Valentini & Nathan Varni, and then at the entire writing staff. This should be goal for 2025 at this point.

8 hours ago, AbcNbc247 said:

Good theory!

It makes me think of another question that I asked before: if all those ideas were disliked so much, to the point that they’re basically being erased from the continuity, why was it all approved in the first place 😂

Thank you. Like I said yesterday, FV is petty enough to do something like that. I just find it shocking how all the storylines that dominated the spring/summer either vanished...understandable with a writing change...or took a turn that went in a 180 direction (at most) from the direction it appeared to be going. Now it seems like any interesting/controversial idea that made it through that time period is being choked out honestly. 

 

Hmmm...perhaps...to throw out another theory...the ideas were approved for a writer capable of giving them nuances and good story ideas? But alas.

1 hour ago, Liberty City said:

I also question where their hands are.

And THAT is part of the problem.

4 minutes ago, Taoboi said:

And THAT is part of the problem.

Back during Shelly Altman's time, I remember her exit interview, where she said there were "sensitivity issues" to some storylines (ie: Aiden's sexuality) that caused [some] things to be paused and nixed.

❝ Digest: Are there stories you wish you had another crack at?

Altman: Oh, yes, for sure. What I regret most are the stories that we aborted because of some trepidation, stories that may have been controversial and because of pressure that came from various places, we put a pin in them. For example, I feel we did not do justice to the story of Aiden’s sexuality. There were many sensitivity issues there. I do feel that was a story we did not see to its fullest realization, and I regret that. Similarly, there was a story that we pitched and we started when Julian was in prison. He was beaten up; we saw someone with tattoos all over him. We were going to tell a story about Julian and others having to fight against a white supremacy group. That was all that was on the air, and then it was never told. Again, there were questions, there were concerns, which I understand, but I personally regret not fighting more for stories I believed in that I thought were important to tell. ❞

10 minutes ago, Taoboi said:

Thank you. Like I said yesterday, FV is petty enough to do something like that. I just find it shocking how all the storylines that dominated the spring/summer either vanished...understandable with a writing change...or took a turn that went in a 180 direction (at most) from the direction it appeared to be going. Now it seems like any interesting/controversial idea that made it through that time period is being choked out honestly. 

 

Hmmm...perhaps...to throw out another theory...the ideas were approved for a writer capable of giving them nuances and good story ideas? But alas.

And THAT is part of the problem.

Where whose hands are? What does that even mean?

And, BTW, I don't agree with you, but it's on a question maybe you'd call degrees. I don't think this "hard reset" is coming out of Frank's pettiness. (Please note I am not saying that he's not petty at times.) No, I think it's coming out of unmitigated anger, more the kind of red hot, sizzling stuff rather than elevated snark. That is all. A small point. 

 

Credits for Wednesday, November 13, 2024:

Created by: Frank & Doris Hursley
Executive producer: Frank Valentini
Head writers: Elizabeth Korte, Chris Van Etten
Writers: Suzanne Flynn, Scott Sickles, Anne Schoettle
Director: Allison Reames Smith

Lois has been back on the show for a year now. I love her.

i hate it that Drew won.

Chad Duell is acting today.

I enjoy Sonny and Natalia spending time together.

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What are the sets where we saw Trina and the new guy and Liz & Lucky talking?

12 minutes ago, Sapounopera said:

What are the sets where we saw Trina and the new guy and Liz & Lucky talking?

It is the Port Charles Surf Lodge, which resembles the set from TOLN's One Life to Live. And the other set is Brown Dog Bar.

I do wonder if the Quartermaine's will become the main set outside of the Hospital. If Jason moves in to be close to Danny. If Lulu moves in to recover and Laura, Kevin & Ace come with her.

30 minutes ago, Liberty City said:

It is the Port Charles Surf Lodge, which resembles the set from TOLN's One Life to Live. And the other set is Brown Dog Bar.

Thank you. I love that GH is giving us all these sets.