14 minutes ago, carolineg said:

I seriously think when Jagger was cast with a blonde guy someone on the internet/twitter/facebook was all "Dex is blonde too!  Obviously his son!" and it gained some traction for whatever reason.

I think I've even heard Dex might be Jason's secret son, but I have no idea how that would be possible.  Maybe when SB left the first time or something?

I’d sooner believe he was Lucky’s fraternal twin and that Luke sold him for a bottle of scotch and a home perm.

Just now, Khan said:

I’d sooner believe he was Lucky’s fraternal twin and that Luke sold him for a bottle of scotch and a home perm.

That I'd believe as well.

To circle back from the Classic GH talk maybe Dex is actually Sly and he just didn't age at the same rate as Lucky🤷‍♀️

55 minutes ago, BetterForgotten said:

Just because it’s consistent, doesn’t mean it can’t and shouldn’t be changed. 

Maybe so but I'm unaware of any compelling reason to change it. 28 years since Jason & Carly started doing their little dance. That's a significant amount of time on a soap. 

55 minutes ago, BetterForgotten said:

It also proves why you need characters (like Tracy, for example) to be the voice of the audience and call characters like Jason and Carly out for their hypocrisy,

What hypocrisy would that be? 

55 minutes ago, BetterForgotten said:

without the spin of said characters being comedic relief or stupidly unhinged. Right now, that doesn’t noticeably exist on the show. Elizabeth Korte has always been a Jason/Carly fangurl, so this writing doesn’t surprise me either since she and PM are billed as equal HW’s. 

Just today the writers had Laura say what the fans have been saying about Laura! I think there have been other examples when the new writers have had characters saying something ripped right off of fan discussion. 

5.8.2024

HW: Patrick Mulcahey & Elizabeth Korte

BDW: Emily Culliton

SW: Stacey Pulwer

DIR: Denise Van Cleave

Thx @Contessa Donatella

14 minutes ago, Contessa Donatella said:

Just today the writers had Laura say what the fans have been saying about Laura! I think there have been other examples when the new writers have had characters saying something ripped right off of fan discussion. 

Plus Kevin told Laura that Heather should not be released & fans have been saying this for months

1 hour ago, Contessa Donatella said:

Maybe so but I'm unaware of any compelling reason to change it. 28 years since Jason & Carly started doing their little dance. That's a significant amount of time on a soap. 

What hypocrisy would that be? 

Just today the writers had Laura say what the fans have been saying about Laura! I think there have been other examples when the new writers have had characters saying something ripped right off of fan discussion. 

#1 - Let’s start with the fact that Jason is a horrible father that always places Carly and her kids above his own. Even Sam, who has issues with Jason, has yet to call this out. Jason’s terrible relationship with his sons and his abandonment of them is a compelling reason alone to reevaluate his character choices and allegiances. 

#2 - What hypocrisy? Jason and Carly spent years preventing Michael from having a relationship with the Quartermaine’s because they thought it wasn’t a suitable environment for him. Yet, exposing him to constant mob violence was. Again, Jason has willingly abandoned his sons and and real relationships with them in the name of Carly. Hypocrisy at its finest. 
 

#3 - Laura’s hypocrisy is another topic, lol. But actions speak louder than words, and I am not convinced she’s willing to give up her support of Heather just yet. 

Edited May 8, 20241 yr by BetterForgotten

3 minutes ago, BetterForgotten said:

Jason and Carly spent years preventing Michael from having a relationship with the Quartermaine’s because they thought it wasn’t a suitable environment for him. Yet, exposing him to constant mob violence was.

one of many fundamental reasons why Jason and Carly suck.

6 minutes ago, BetterForgotten said:

#1 - Let’s start with the fact that Jason is a horrible father that always places Carly and her kids above his own. Even Sam, who has issues with Jason, has yet to call this out.

Kristina actually told Sam this to her face in 2020, in a great scene that was posted in one of these threads not long ago (and I don't think it was the first time Sam came to that conclusion herself, then put it aside). Either way, Sam and Jason were done (seemingly for good, for now) by the end of the year. And I do think some of the boys, etc. have been reckoning with this onscreen lately. Not that that excuses Jason at all.

Jason also basically admitted in the late 2000s around the time of the Claudia mess that he and Carly had screwed Michael and made a mistake. I don't recall Carly if came to the same conclusion (I doubt it). Not that that excuses either of them him either. It's just interesting stuff to think about.

5-3

 

I have to give credit where credit is due. I'm sure I've mentioned that LW is not my favorite Carly. And the writing has been all over with her Carly. So when there are moments when Carly is CARLY, I always get a little giggle.

 

Such was the case when Carly waiting in Sonny's penthouse. God, that took me back to all the times Carly did in the 90s. And of course, she would get into it with whatever woman Sonny was involved it. So for that, this episode was like Old Home Week for me. lol. And dare it! If I didn't scream when she almost figured it out about Sonny and his meds. I guess it show how invested (and how long) the Sonny med storyline has been going on that I feel invested.

 

Same for Alexis's quest to get her license back. Now we are down to picking out clothes. I can't believe it's closer. I'm still hoping that when (if) it does happen, Alexis does find herself beside her with her as lawyer vs her as editor. 

 

Also same for a feeling of investment...Drew and Nina. They are so falling for each other. You see it with Nina in Drew's car (and the fact she's in his car) and you see that with Drew when Nina is singing his virtues to the senator. And...I'm not minding it. Seeing all their hate slowly (slowly) melting. 

 

We know I live for Sonny/Dante scenes.

 

 

7 minutes ago, BetterForgotten said:

#1 - Let’s start with the fact that Jason is a horrible father that always places Carly and her kids above his own. Even Sam, who has issues with Jason, has yet to call this out. Jason’s terrible relationship with his sons and his abandonment of them is a compelling reason alone that reevaluate his character choices and allegiances. 

Jason, however, says that he thought about Jake & Danny & knew they had solid family lives & mothers, so, ... 

7 minutes ago, BetterForgotten said:

#2 - What hypocrisy? Jason and Carly spent years preventing Michael from having a relationship with the Quartermaine’s because they thought it wasn’t a suitable environment for him. Yet, exposing him to constant mob violence was. Again, Jason has willingly abandoned his sons and and real relationship with them in the name of Carly. Hypocrisy at its finest. 

There were various situations with the mothers of Jake & Danny that pertain. Becky seemed to want Lucky to be the father figure at her house. 

I know some people consider Jason a deadbeat dad but we do not know what material things he provided. I think we do know that Becky got a house & money. 

But, literally his choosing Carly as a grown-ass man who gets to choose who he prioritizes, that is not *hypocrisy* per se. 

7 minutes ago, BetterForgotten said:

#3 - Laura’s hypocrisy is another topic, lol. But actions speak louder than words, and I am not convinced she’s willing to give up her support of Heather just yet. 

No, clearly she is not. 

3 hours ago, Khan said:

Gina Tognoni's like Candyman: say her name five times on a message board, she's bound to appear again somewhere.

Heheh. True.

3 hours ago, John said:

Today just proves that no matter who are the EP, HW and DIR Jason Morgan will ALWAYS chose Carly over anyone in his family. That is who Jason will always be.

But that's ALWAYS been true. lol.

 

What's been great about the writing change and Jason's return is that he's now being called out about it.

Emphais on FINALLY. 

 

 

16 minutes ago, BetterForgotten said:

#1 - Let’s start with the fact that Jason is a horrible father that always places Carly and her kids above his own. Even Sam, who has issues with Jason, has yet to call this out. Jason’s terrible relationship with his sons and his abandonment of them is a compelling reason alone that reevaluate his character choices and allegiances. 

#2 - What hypocrisy? Jason and Carly spent years preventing Michael from having a relationship with the Quartermaine’s because they thought it wasn’t a suitable environment for him. Yet, exposing him to constant mob violence was. Again, Jason has willingly abandoned his sons and and real relationship with them in the name of Carly. Hypocrisy at its finest. 
 

#3 - Laura’s hypocrisy is another topic, lol. But actions speak louder than words, and I am not convinced she’s willing to give up her support of Heather just yet. 

First off, you make a ton of great points and I am not disagreeing with you at all.

But at this time all of this still seems in character for Jason/Carly.  They aren't amazing people.  And Jason has always put Carly first ahead of everyone for some unknown loyalty reason.

If you reverse course and don't have Carly/Jason act like they aren't entirely obsessed with one another would viewers think that was totally out of character?  

I don't even know if there is a right or wrong answer on this.  I just don't think any amount of character rehab for either character would make me forget all the previous idiotic things Jason/Carly have done and convince me they were good people.

 

8 hours ago, Aragorn said:

For the first time ever, Kristina seems more important to the show than Michael, and I like it.

And it is about time for Kristina for sure. 

 

 

8 minutes ago, Taoboi said:

I'm still hoping that when (if) it does happen, Alexis does find herself beside her with her as lawyer vs her as editor. 

I'd still love to know why this show thinks Alexis can't do both (practice law and run a newspaper).

I'd also love to know WHY Jason constantly puts Carly's needs and safety above most everyone else's.  What makes him do it?  Does he feel sorry for Carly?  Is she that good in bed?  Have they even BEEN to bed, lol?

23 hours ago, carolineg said:

I mean, obviously, Vanessa and MB owed it to me for being their most staunch supporter lol. 

lol. Them facts. 

3 minutes ago, carolineg said:

First off, you make a ton of great points and I am not disagreeing with you at all.

But at this time all of this still seems in character for Jason/Carly.  They aren't amazing people.  And Jason has always put Carly first ahead of everyone for some unknown loyalty reason.

If you reverse course and don't have Carly/Jason act like they aren't entirely obsessed with one another would viewers think that was totally out of character?  

I don't even know if there is a right or wrong answer on this.  I just don't think any amount of character rehab for either character would make me forget all the previous idiotic things Jason/Carly have done and convince me they were good people.

 

Totally agree, it’s consistent with Jason/Carly, loll and any reckoning would probably be too little, too late at this point. 

But I do think it’s a character flaw/f.uck up Jason in particular needs to reminded of and haunt him for the rest of his existence. He caused damaged to his own kids in the name name of Carly and her kids, when he had a choice not to.

When/if both Jake and Danny freeze him out for good, and they want to play up “Jason’s box of pain and hurt” someone should remind him of how his choices with Michael made AJ, Alan, and Monica feel.