6 hours ago, Paul Raven said:

ATWT

I think it has generally been accepted that the role of Grandpa Hughes was played by Will Lee in the first episode and he was dropped and Santos Ortega took over the next day.

Here's a newspaper excerpt re Santos

 He missed charter membership In "World Turns" by one day. The show opened on CBS-TV with Don MacLaughlin as Chris Hughes, Helen Wagner as Nancy Hughes and William Johnstone as Judge Lowell on April 2, 1956. On the next day, Sandy was a replacement for Grandpa.   

In fact it was a couple of weeks into the show that Pa appeared. He was still living on the farm at that point. So Will Lee did appear for a day it seems but not on the premiere episode.

Not sure if Pa appeared the next day or it was a few episodes before Santos took over.

 

LaGuardia, R. (1983b). Soap World. Arbor House Publishing Company.

ISBN: 0-87795-482-8

This is what SOAP WORLD says. I have no idea of its veracity. LaGuardia has so much correct info but I am also aware of errors, generally speaking.

from pg. 106

Before the quote begins was discussion of Helen Wagner being fired but subsequently rehired.

Quote

There were a few other firings in the beginning. Billy Lee, the first Grandpa Hughes, was let go after three episodes and replaced by Santos Ortega, who remained in the part until his death on April 10, 1976. Hal Studer (husband of Billie Lou Watt), the first Donald Hughes, was let go because Irna thought he was too short, and replaced by Richard Holland.

In the rest of the cast there was extraordinary stability. The regulars included Rosemary Prinz as Penny, Bobby Alford as little Bob Hughes, Ruth Warrick as Aunt Edie, Les Damon and Anne Burr as Jim and Claire Lowell. Wendy Drew as Ellen Lowell and William Johnstone as Judge Lowell. 

There is more in this account about the beginning.

And, just a thought I had, if people can think of any questions Rosemary Prinz might be willing to try to recall. A member of my soap opera group is a close personal friend of hers & I could have him inquire if she'd be open to any such questions posed to her in email. 

8 hours ago, Khan said:

I'd love to know the full, original cast list for ATWT.  It seems like they had a very small cast in the beginning.

Hughes

Chris

Nancy

Penny

Don

Bobby

Edith

Lowells

Judge Lowell

Jim

Claire

Ellen

Janice appeared in the second week and Pa and Doug Cassen a few weeks in.

Schemering 1987 Soap Encyclopedia p.52  The Catlins a daytime soap when every other source says primetime. Now it seems like daytime is correct.  

Okay, so here it is broken down: 

daytime soap: Correct: Schemering, IMDb

primetime soap: Wrong: IMDb, wikipedia, SON, 

not even listed: Also Wrong: Wesley Hyatt, Ency of Daytime TV

 

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That Robin Strasser played Iris Ocasek on Secret Storm.

I think Robin herself denied this.

On 6/1/2024 at 10:47 AM, Contessa Donatella said:

The Catlins a daytime soap when every other source says primetime. Now it seems like daytime is correct.

I guess it depends on how you view it - primetime soaps are usually considered soaps that are aired in the primetime with one episode per week and usually seasonal orders. I guess Peyton Place sort of curbs this rule as it aired 2-3 times a week all weeks of the year.

Daytime soaps are usually seen as five-day-a-week soaps. The Catlins aired at 11:05am and 11:40pm in April 1984: https://www.sitcomsonline.com/boards/archive/index.php/t-40642.html 

No idea which one was the new episode and which one was the repeat, but it wouldn't surprise me if the late night airing was the new episode in this case. Is that a daytime soap or a nightime then? Most would probably still say daytime soap due to the five day a week nature of it.

52 minutes ago, te. said:

I guess it depends on how you view it - primetime soaps are usually considered soaps that are aired in the primetime with one episode per week and usually seasonal orders. I guess Peyton Place sort of curbs this rule as it aired 2-3 times a week all weeks of the year.

Daytime soaps are usually seen as five-day-a-week soaps. The Catlins aired at 11:05am and 11:40pm in April 1984: https://www.sitcomsonline.com/boards/archive/index.php/t-40642.html 

No idea which one was the new episode and which one was the repeat, but it wouldn't surprise me if the late night airing was the new episode in this case. Is that a daytime soap or a nightime then? Most would probably still say daytime soap due to the five day a week nature of it.

Thank you so much for your post. I now understand how this confusion came about. Yes, I, too, would classify them as a daytime soap with a primetime encore broadcast. Does that wording work? 

On 2/2/2024 at 1:13 PM, Contessa Donatella said:

Another World

There was a myth that Irna offered the show to CBS & they had no room for it on the schedule & she was heartbroken. 

This is debunked in a document called The Creation of Another World. It is by Eddie Drueding with reporting by Lynn Liccardo & Elana Levine. It can be found on the Another World Home Page under Publications. 

http://anotherworldhomepage.com/creation.htm

According to it, actually in 1963 NBC approached P&G/PGP about getting Irna Phillips to create a new serial for them. Details & names of sources are in the document. 

The second most popular myth about AW is that it is a sister soap to ATWT. 

That it is not is covered in the document. Yes, both shows, including some others exist in an Irna Phillips universe but it does not make them sister soaps or spin-offs. 

Much more information about BTS about the show beginnings is included also in the document. 

From  that site: Also false is the notion that Phillips created AW as a sister show for "As the World Turns." No mention is made of a connection to Oakdale in the AW bible, or in the very rough first draft of her unfinished memoir, "All My Worlds." However, she did reference the Hughes family in the bible as a way to bring her AW characters into sharper focus. And six months into AW, the character of Mitchell Dru left Oakdale for Bay City.

This is a link to the AW bible from that site:

http://www.anotherworldhomepage.com/bible.htm

Page 1 is missing. I have page 1.

From my copy of the AW bible:

 

Just now, allmc2008 said:

From  that site: Also false is the notion that Phillips created AW as a sister show for "As the World Turns." No mention is made of a connection to Oakdale in the AW bible, or in the very rough first draft of her unfinished memoir, "All My Worlds." However, she did reference the Hughes family in the bible as a way to bring her AW characters into sharper focus. And six months into AW, the character of Mitchell Dru left Oakdale for Bay City.

This is a link to the AW bible from that site:

http://www.anotherworldhomepage.com/bible.htm

Page 1 is missing. I have page 1.

From my copy of the AW bible:

 

It says that Oakdale is neighboring. And it says Chris drew up the Mathhews' brothers partnership.

17 minutes ago, allmc2008 said:

From  that site: Also false is the notion that Phillips created AW as a sister show for "As the World Turns." No mention is made of a connection to Oakdale in the AW bible, or in the very rough first draft of her unfinished memoir, "All My Worlds." However, she did reference the Hughes family in the bible as a way to bring her AW characters into sharper focus. And six months into AW, the character of Mitchell Dru left Oakdale for Bay City.

This is a link to the AW bible from that site:

http://www.anotherworldhomepage.com/bible.htm

Page 1 is missing. I have page 1.

From my copy of the AW bible:

 

It says that Oakdale is neighboring. And it says Chris drew up the Mathhews' brothers partnership.

In the Irna Phillips universe there were small cities clustered near each other. They were Oakdale, Illinois [ATWT], Flat Rock, Centerville, Somerset [itself] Bedfordtown, Brookville, Ogden, Centerville, Bay City, Illinois, [AW] – Donna L Bridges (These were supposed to represent the actual bedroom suburbs around Cincinnati, where P&G's International Headquarters were.)

In the intricate universe created by Irna Phillips, several small cities were clustered near each other, each with its own unique character and stories. Let’s explore the associations with these towns:

Centerville: This town was a central hub in the Irna Phillips universe. It played a pivotal role in many of her serials. Centerville was a place of drama, romance, and intrigue. Characters from various shows intersected here, making it a focal point for storytelling 1.

Bedfordtown: Bedfordtown was another significant locale. It had its share of secrets, scandals, and passionate affairs. The lives of its residents were closely intertwined, creating a rich tapestry of interconnected stories 1.

Brookville: Brookville was a charming town where families grappled with love, loss, and ambition. The community spirit and personal struggles of its inhabitants made it a compelling setting 1.

Ogden: Ogden was a place of mystery and hidden agendas. Its streets echoed with whispered conversations, and its residents harbored secrets that shaped their destinies. The drama in Ogden often unfolded behind closed doors 1.

These towns served as microcosms of life, reflecting the complexities of human relationships, aspirations, and challenges. Irna Phillips, the pioneering creator of daytime soap operas, wove these fictional places into the hearts of viewers, leaving an indelible mark on the world of storytelling 123. 🌟

From <https://www.bing.com/search?q=%27Star+Wars+Episode+1%E2%80%99+in+theaters&filters=tnTID%3A%227C93F411-8E2F-40f0-A332-AA39C1409A8E%22+tnVersion%3A%225493891%22+Segment%3A%22popularnow.carousel%22+tnCol%3A%2211%22+tnScenario%3A%22TrendingTopicsAPI%22+tnOrder%3A%22224513f2-eeed-4c68-8d52-03826720161b%22&FORM=SNAPCR&ecount=50&crslsl=1280&vfirst=7&showconv=1>

Of course, a Bing search may not be infallible.

34 minutes ago, Contessa Donatella said:

Centerville: This town was a central hub in the Irna Phillips universe. It played a pivotal role in many of her serials

I'd need to see some examples. I think Centerville on ATWT was where Kim went and was caught in a tornado, losing her memory but this occurred after Irna had departed.

As for the other towns I think Bing is bung.

1 hour ago, Contessa Donatella said:

In the Irna Phillips universe there were small cities clustered near each other. They were Oakdale, Illinois [ATWT], Flat Rock, Centerville, Somerset [itself] Bedfordtown, Brookville, Ogden, Centerville, Bay City, Illinois, [AW] – Donna L Bridges (These were supposed to represent the actual bedroom suburbs around Cincinnati, where P&G's International Headquarters were.)

In the intricate universe created by Irna Phillips, several small cities were clustered near each other, each with its own unique character and stories. Let’s explore the associations with these towns:

Centerville: This town was a central hub in the Irna Phillips universe. It played a pivotal role in many of her serials. Centerville was a place of drama, romance, and intrigue. Characters from various shows intersected here, making it a focal point for storytelling 1.

Bedfordtown: Bedfordtown was another significant locale. It had its share of secrets, scandals, and passionate affairs. The lives of its residents were closely intertwined, creating a rich tapestry of interconnected stories 1.

Brookville: Brookville was a charming town where families grappled with love, loss, and ambition. The community spirit and personal struggles of its inhabitants made it a compelling setting 1.

Ogden: Ogden was a place of mystery and hidden agendas. Its streets echoed with whispered conversations, and its residents harbored secrets that shaped their destinies. The drama in Ogden often unfolded behind closed doors 1.

These towns served as microcosms of life, reflecting the complexities of human relationships, aspirations, and challenges. Irna Phillips, the pioneering creator of daytime soap operas, wove these fictional places into the hearts of viewers, leaving an indelible mark on the world of storytelling 123. 🌟

From <https://www.bing.com/search?q=%27Star+Wars+Episode+1%E2%80%99+in+theaters&filters=tnTID%3A%227C93F411-8E2F-40f0-A332-AA39C1409A8E%22+tnVersion%3A%225493891%22+Segment%3A%22popularnow.carousel%22+tnCol%3A%2211%22+tnScenario%3A%22TrendingTopicsAPI%22+tnOrder%3A%22224513f2-eeed-4c68-8d52-03826720161b%22&FORM=SNAPCR&ecount=50&crslsl=1280&vfirst=7&showconv=1>

Of course, a Bing search may not be infallible.

What's your point? I mean, why did you copy and past an AI report?

 

5 minutes ago, allmc2008 said:

What's your point? I mean, why did you copy and past an AI report?

 

Additional information about the neighboring communities in the Irna Phillips universe. 

6 hours ago, Contessa Donatella said:

Additional information about the neighboring communities in the Irna Phillips universe. 

Based on what? 

It  just seems like some made up fan fic.

3 minutes ago, Paul Raven said:

Based on what? 

It  just seems like some made up fan fic.

Well, it *is* AI so should be taken with a handful of grains of salt. Sometimes it is useful. Other times it is so much rot. 

From AMC. This scene is from after Erica had the abortion and during her infection which nearly killed her. Jeff seeks Dr Frazier, who conducted it, to tell him about the infection so he and Dr Clader can work on the situation together.

It's pre-Roe V Wade but coincides with the legalization in New York. Note, in Pennsylvanian, it wasn't legal (as far as I know) but the legalities that are reiterated by Dr Frazier reflects the laws in New York at the time.

Eddie Drueding was delighted to get a missing page the very day he found out it was missing, so, thanks, Andrew!!! 

He also admired this thread & wondered if we'd take a stab at debunking any on a tentative list of AW Firsts he has devised. 

Another World - Firsts

 

First soap opera to make the transition to color from black and white.

 

First soap opera to make the transition to videotape from live broadcast.

 

First soap to use the "beauty shot" (end credits featuring actors on set).

 

First soap opera (and tv show?) to tell a story featuring abortion.

 

First soap opera to expand to one hour.

 

First soap opera to incorporate comedy (1978, Vivien Gorrow).

 

First soap opera to expand to 90 minutes.

 

First soap opera to have a daytime-airing spin-off (Somerset). [[  The first television soap opera perhaps, but Guiding Light had a spin-off while it was on radio.]]

 

First soap opera to have a second spin-off (Texas).

 

First soap opera to tell a story featuring AIDS (1987, Dawn Rollo).

 

First soap opera to eliminate the full-screen closing credits crawl in favor of the one-third screen credits/promo combination (1995).

I know the following are correct: expand to an hour, expand to 90 min., Pat Randolph's illegal abortion was first on US daytime but I believe MAUDE was first for primetime, Dawn Rollo & AIDS. 

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