We still don't know why Irene was holding/torturing Todd do we? Or why she tried to kill both of them?

And why when she was done programming Victodd she didn't just have Todd killed like she planned to.

I wonder if this is it for Irene storywise? I have a feeling Tina returning is not going to be about any of this but I could be wrong.

And why when she was done programming Victodd she didn't just have Todd killed like she planned to.

I wonder if this is it for Irene storywise? I have a feeling Tina returning is not going to be about any of this but I could be wrong.

I'm pretty sure she'll be seen again

And yea, I have a feeling you're right about Tina. The best we'll get is some sort of throwaway comment from Tina about how she doesn't remember her mom having another kid around the house.

I wonder if RC even knows Irene is Tina's mother (maybe this has been mentioned and I just forgot). I won't be surprised if he just pretends Tina was hatched out of an egg.

Yea part of it I admit is that I don't and never have liked Tea. I am no Blair fan either but I can enjoy Blair at times. I find it difficult to ever enjoy Tea.

I like FL's work when she isn't doing that bellowing and screaming but the character has always been a love letter to domestic violence and the show deifies her for that reason. I wish both ladies had never met either of the noble rapists.

Edited August 17, 201114 yr by CarlD2

Double amnesiac sex FTW

Oh and don't forget, we still don't know why the agency had Patrick and what "it" is...UGH

This story has gotten really stupid. They should've just had it as Victor Jr. Knowingly taking over Todd's life so that he could get a piece of the inheritance. He could've still been adamant that he was Todd because he knew they had the same DNA. Bringing Irene back was really unnecessary for all of this. And to think I was loving this story like two weeks ago. I'm just ready for the TSJ part of this story to end. I can't take it.

Wait I feel like I'm missing something. What were Tomas and Victor whispering about to each other? What is their secret?

Edited August 17, 201114 yr by alexisfan07

Any fight involving Tea/Blair is unwatchable and destroys both characters - Blair because the show has little interest in her, and Tea because the show is way too invested in her.

Hmmm, this story of Tea losing it all is very indicative that this show favors Blair and always has. RC the #1 Tea fan myth has been exposed as a bunch of BS with this crap he's piling on Tea.

Wait I feel like I'm missing something. What were Tomas and Victor whispering about to each other? What is their secret?

It was played up for weeks wasn't it that Tomas and Victodd were sharing some sort of secret wasn't it and now its like Victodd has been

a dupe in all this not knowing anything. If thats the case why play up anything with Tomas?

This story has gotten really stupid. They should've just had it as Victor Jr. Knowingly taking over Todd's life so that he could get a piece of the inheritance. He could've still been adamant that he was Todd because he knew they had the same DNA. Bringing Irene back was really unnecessary for all of this. And to think I was loving this story like two weeks ago. I'm just ready for the TSJ part of this story to end. I can't take it.

This story became a JOKE.

But sadly this is what RC does. He takes a serious story like Dorian fighting for gay marriage and warps it into a campy JOKE like her faking being a lesbian and getting married in a mass gay wedding. He destroyed his serious Kish story for that JOKE of a story.

Now he's taken the gold mine of the Two Todds and made it a BUTT of jokes with fans rolling their eyes.

What a disappointment.

Wait I feel like I'm missing something. What were Tomas and Victor whispering about to each other? What is their secret?

That they both did some illegal work for BAKER. Those details were on the DISK Marty took.

Im a little behind but I love seeing you all trying to make sense of this mess.

This whole thing just makes me sad. Sad that they took a story that had such great potential and turned it into a clusterfuck of a mess. Sad that the fallout to all this will not happen. There just isn't enough time left to tell all the story that needs to be told while TSJ is on canvas. Sad that my favorite couple is nothing but a lie. (although I don't care who he is they still really love each other and that needs to be explored more than what we will get.)

I guess I'm just plain sad...

Tea and Blair fighting = DUMB as hell. Love Tea speaking spanish

Irene had Victor get plastic surgery after going though the trouble of giving him the Todd scar? WTF? She didnt look at Mitch's file before that?

Oh and a mentally challenge individual can be cured with a little brainwashing? Irene should get her technology patented

LMAO at her smiling and happy to see her beloved Victor and then putting on a sourpuss face and looking at RH and saying "You are Todd"

He looks like an idiot! WTH is up with his lip

Edited August 17, 201114 yr by Cheap21

Irene had Victor get plastic surgery after going though the trouble of giving him the Todd scar? WTF? She didnt look at Mitch's file before that?

Oh and a mentally challenge individual can be cured with a little brainwashing? Irene should get her technology patented

That's what I said! Almost as dumb as "realizing" Todd would be useful as a captive before ordering him killed. But again, why was Todd being held? We still don't know.

And LOL I didn't even think that they were implying that but you're probably right. So absurd.

And how does this help neutralize Mitch? Wouldn't he attempt to kill Victor Jr. when he realized he wasn't Walker? I wasn't watching back then

This whole thing just makes me sad. Sad that they took a story that had such great potential and turned it into a clusterfuck of a mess. Sad that the fallout to all this will not happen. There just isn't enough time left to tell all the story that needs to be told while TSJ is on canvas. Sad that my favorite couple is nothing but a lie. (although I don't care who he is they still really love each other and that needs to be explored more than what we will get.)

I guess I'm just plain sad...

I love Todd and Téa too, both versions, and RC can't rewrite my memories anymore than Guza could destroy Luke and Laura for me.

I admit part of me is very amused watching RC proving so conclusively he's no TnT fangurl. It was ALWAYS an absurd accusation.

He's destroying TnT to prop up Todd/Blair. Oh well, been here before in 2002. Never thought I'd get my TnT back after 2002. Never thought I'd accept a recast. Yet for 2.5 years TSJ/FL sizzled, won me over and proved so popular. It was a great to watch that. But I've learned nothing last forever in soaps.

SalemPlace, one consolation is TSJ and FL know this story is utterly ABSURD. I appreciate their honesty so much more than the mindless cheerleadering. And another consolation is Téa isn't written the fickle slut in this clusterfuck.

Edited August 17, 201114 yr by TeamEric