Ridge and Caroline in Greece! 

 

Edited January 26Jan 26 by Maxim

19 hours ago, kalbir said:

@BoldKara @Maxim AFAIK no Greek recordings of B&B's first three years have surfaced online. I remember seeing Italian recordings of B&B's first three years and the background music was changed.

Thanks Kalbir. At a guess, it would have been an affectionate nickname, not an actual change to the name of the show. Love to be proven differently.

The Greek name is «ΤΟΛΜΗ ΚΑΙ ΓΟΗΤΕΙΑ» which apparently translates to "Boldness and Charm" in Greek.

 

The Greek wikipedia page does not indicate a name change: https://el.wikipedia.org/wiki/Τόλμη_και_Γοητεία

On 1/21/2025 at 9:54 PM, yrfan1983 said:

My stomach sank when Jack Wagner debuted as Nick. I could tell he was being set up as the front-burner alternate love interest for Brooke. I knew that the focus would be on him and that it would cause me to stop watching, which indeed it did. IIRC Nick was grumpy and not charismatic at all. No chemistry with KKL but we viewers were supposed to be enchanted.

I couldn't stand Nick's conceited attitude. I hated the way Jack Wagner shouted all his lines. The idea that we were supposed to root for Nick because he was this supposedly manly rugged sea dog unlike Ridge the "dressmaker" was so un-B&B. I hated that he stole the sibling rivalry dynamic with Ridge from Thorne. But the worst was the singing. Every few weeks we would be subjected to a cheesy montage set to his mind-numbing elevator music you might expect to hear in a Dillards in the middle 90s. I assume the musical montages were contractually obligated by JW.

On 1/26/2025 at 10:56 PM, BoldRestless said:

The Greek name is «ΤΟΛΜΗ ΚΑΙ ΓΟΗΤΕΙΑ» which apparently translates to "Boldness and Charm" in Greek.

 

The Greek wikipedia page does not indicate a name change: https://el.wikipedia.org/wiki/Τόλμη_και_Γοητεία

I'm from Greece and I was only 6 in 1988 when B&B started. I started watching it pretty early on and the show was always called Τόλμη και Γοητεία.

Some people might have called it Caroline as in "I'm going to watch Caroline today" but that was only because she was a popular character, the show's name never changed.

18 hours ago, Lilika said:

I'm from Greece and I was only 6 in 1988 when B&B started. I started watching it pretty early on and the show was always called Τόλμη και Γοητεία.

Some people might have called it Caroline as in "I'm going to watch Caroline today" but that was only because she was a popular character, the show's name never changed.

Thank you! Then I think it's settled. I am considering the Caroline thing... just a myth or people called the show that as a nickname. 

18 hours ago, Lilika said:

I'm from Greece and I was only 6 in 1988 when B&B started. I started watching it pretty early on and the show was always called Τόλμη και Γοητεία.

Some people might have called it Caroline as in "I'm going to watch Caroline today" but that was only because she was a popular character, the show's name never changed.

Thank you! This makes the most sense. It must be an urban legend.

Nice to know these things In Polish it is "Fashion For Success"

Me and my husband's struggle with the absolute abyss that is 2003 continues. Every episodes feels like a drag... these 20 minutes feel like 2 hours.

It's not working on any level. 

On 2/3/2025 at 4:02 AM, Maxim said:

Me and my husband's struggle with the absolute abyss that is 2003 continues. Every episodes feels like a drag... these 20 minutes feel like 2 hours.

It's not working on any level. 

I agree about 2003. It is TERRIBLE. I still try to keep up but the only way it's tolerable is to watch every episode at double speed. That way I feel like I'm not wasting too much of my day. I have started rewatching S1 again and it's like a completely different show.

This must be some kind of catch-up show, maybe up to 93 or 94? I don't know. It's dubbed into Italian as you can hear the actors speaking in their English accents underneath during the interviews. 

The channel also has a "Ciao Week end" from 1991, with Susan Flannery, John McCook, Daniel McVicar, Jeff Trachta and KKL being interviewed (in English). Trachta sings. There are also comedy sketches or recreations of scenes (?). Is that the first Thorne at 19 minutes or just someone I don't know?

The last video is a brief segment showing the people who dub B&B episodes into Italian.

If this is already widely known and available, my apologies. Still, it might be a curio for you.

 

Edited February 6Feb 6 by DRW50

Something really odd seems to have happened with the Vault - did you notice? Every folder has been duplicated four days ago.

i saw that but i suppose someone did it by mistake

On 2/3/2025 at 4:02 AM, Maxim said:

Me and my husband's struggle with the absolute abyss that is 2003 continues. Every episodes feels like a drag... these 20 minutes feel like 2 hours.

It's not working on any level. 

I actually liked 2003 and the introduction of Nick ! I enjoyed Macy-Amber-Rick-Deacon and they carried that year.

The massimo-Stephanie-Ridge-Nick story was kinda… ODD! To put it nicely. But it got better as the year progressed and 2004 made up for it.

13 hours ago, Videnbas said:

Something really odd seems to have happened with the Vault - did you notice? Every folder has been duplicated four days ago.

Yikes, that's not good cause it'll double up the space being used. The same thing happened in the Y&R/GL Vault and it's been at capacity for over a year. Only the admin can delete the extra files and clear the recycle bin.