Eli & Blair were hot in 2010. Ruined eventually, of course, but hot.

Some argue that it WAS undone in 2007, when Dorian and Viki were locked in the basement during Asa's funeral and Dorian said she

killed Victor. When Viki pointed out that he turned out to be alive later on, Dorian responded, "if that WAS him." She never followed up on that statement

True. But I wouldn't mind them confirming that so Victor can STAY dead in the reboot!

I am pretty sure that the 1985 story showed the split in Viki's personality was due to her catching ol' Vic in bed with Irene, and the 1995 version had Viki having all those nightmares and recollections about Victor, one of which was him arguing with Eugenia on the stairs.

No, you're right, Dale. Both those events happened. I was referring to the first (meaning, 1968/1969) story. According to Soap Opera Weekly, Agnes Nixon wrote that Viki created "Niki" in order to deal with the trauma of her mother's death (and again, for the record, I agree that that was fairly lame). However, I give credit to Michael Malone for including that incident in his version of events. Aside from Victor's abuse and Tori's murdering him, he didn't create new-and-heretofore-unknown backstory like I think Sam Hall and Peggy O'Shea did in the '85 story.

I think there was even a 1988 version where they indicated that Niki was created when Megan was born and Victor took her away from Viki. I don't count that one.

Neither do I. To me, that was just stupid, plain and simple.

I thought that Niki was around during the pregnancy with Megan, and she turned back into Viki during labor?

I thought Niki emerged during labor then Victor had Viki hypnotized to forget the rest.

Yeah, you're probably right. For some reason I thought she went by Niki in that place she and Roger lived in during her pregnancy. I think I got it backwards though.

Yeah, I think Viki and Roger were pretty in love in Eterna and Niki "helped her out" with the delivery. I may be wrong. I never saw that stuff, just read about it.

Actually, according to the original story, the reason for Viki's split personality was that she witnessed Victor having a fight with her and Meredith's mother, Eugenia, that caused Eugenia to fall down the stairs at Llanfair, an injury that led directly to her death. The stuff with Irene in bed with Victor was a retcon, just as the revelation of the other personalities and Viki's abuse at the hands of her own father were retcons.

You're right, Dale, it is a pretty lame explanation for her disorder. At the same time, though, I'm pretty fierce on sticking to canon, as it were. Just because it is more psychologically accurate to say her DID is the result of severe sexual trauma, that shouldn't give writers license to rewrite established history or suggest facets about a particular character who, quite frankly, wasn't originally created and/or written with those facts in mind.

Right, though it was also tied into Victor wishing she had been born a boy, and all the pressures (and in a sense emotional abuse) he foisted on her.

I dunno, in this case I think it was more than justified (frankly, as good as the Tina story was to watch, more justified to retcon than retconning it with the Irene Manning stuff). Like Carl and others have said, I don't like what they did with the story after--I mean the DID story was such a triumph IMHO that it should have been the end of Nicki (soaps increasingly seemed to lose the restraingt nto to pull stories like Nicki/Vicki out every few years) and the alters, but I think the actual story was well done enough, dramatic enough, and in a sense important enough (I know someone who was dealing with repressed incestual feelings right around the same time and she said watching it, personally meant the world to me), that it justified the retcon. But then, I woulda just left it there.

The March 1980 youtube episode is amazing....with a lot of Ina's boarding house...And does anyone remember when it was Jim and Anna Craig's wedding??? April 1970??? I know the first Cathy (Catherine Burns) was in that wedding....but I thought the second Cathy (Amy Levitt) was on OLTL in January 1970 with the drugs and Odysse storyline....

I can't find this 1980 episode in the video folder here, or on youtube--Link?

Some argue that it WAS undone in 2007, when Dorian and Viki were locked in the basement during Asa's funeral and Dorian said she

killed Victor. When Viki pointed out that he turned out to be alive later on, Dorian responded, "if that WAS him." She never followed up on that statement, but I'll gladly fanwank that as 2003 Victor being a fraud and the original story standing as told.

I still wonder if Carlivati was going somewhere with that--it seems unlike his style to drop something changing history like that and not go with it. But I agree

Yeah, I think Viki and Roger were pretty in love in Eterna and Niki "helped her out" with the delivery. I may be wrong. I never saw that stuff, just read about it.

I'm not refering to anyone in this thread--but it does make me laugh when some complain that they changed Victor's backstory and character too much with the DID story--yet these same people don't seem to take issue with him being this insane rich man who built Eterna, all the stuff that happened there, etc... Although I guess it does make Victor's appearance in Heaven seem odd.

I think I tend to agree with MissLlanviewPA, I'd just rather fanwank and go with my own story (rather than having had RC make even more of a mess with it). However. If it can be readdressed masterfully under SBH, I'd be all over that. Mainly because Dorian and Viki at their best (imo) is when they are knee deep in dark family drama.

I'm not refering to anyone in this thread--but it does make me laugh when some complain that they changed Victor's backstory and character too much with the DID story--yet these same people don't seem to take issue with him being this insane rich man who built Eterna, all the stuff that happened there, etc... Although I guess it does make Victor's appearance in Heaven seem odd.

Ha, good point. We can't buy abuse but we can buy Eterna. Yeah, re: Heaven, people said that was more fantasy and of course Victor would be in Heaven in Viki's reality. I guess fans can make what they want of that. You can even get really deep with it and say that Victor repented, confessed his sins, oh Lord...

I can't find this 1980 episode in the video folder here, or on youtube

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I suppose Eterna happened at a point where the show had just gotten so outlandish so it's kinda justified. Still, I see it as far more realistic, and dramatically interesting, that this important pillar of the community was a messed up sexual abuser, than that he was building underground cities and having his daughter hypnotized to forget pregnancies, etc...

I'm trying to figure it out. Not using my computer where I know how to post a link. It shows before I submit the post, but once its posted, the link is gone.

I'm not refering to anyone in this thread--but it does make me laugh when some complain that they changed Victor's backstory and character too much with the DID story--yet these same people don't seem to take issue with him being this insane rich man who built Eterna, all the stuff that happened there, etc... Although I guess it does make Victor's appearance in Heaven seem odd.

Eterna is larger than life. Viki being raped for years and falling in love with a man because he subconsciously reminded her of her rapist is...not.