I thought I'd open since it's been a week. It still doesn't seem real.

Somehow I overlooked the invite ... thanks, @DRW50!

17 hours ago, Reverend Ruthledge said:

As said earlier, I think it makes sense as the victim who has had enough and then decides to become hard and bitter and screw everyone else over. I don't think the speed of the change was necessarily even the problem as people can just "snap". I think the problem was that there was no explanation of the change. Perhaps there was.

There really wasn't..she was with Brian, but they were not lighting any sparks and he was a boring character, and because that dullard fell for Shannon she goes dark? But it did work for the character, which is odd, as GL tried it with Beth (who was off screen for years) and it never worked, and the character lost all connection to her past and became a plot point, the vixen, the bitch, the victim, the heroine..whoever was writing that day changed it. Beth's change should have been easier, raped by her step father, Lujack dying, being kidnapped and attacked by Blackburn, having amnesia and basically controlled by another man, then bacially being dumped by her Prince so he could come home for revenge...it should have made sense but didnt, which goes to show what day to day writing does for a character.

4 hours ago, Mitch64 said:

There really wasn't..she was with Brian, but they were not lighting any sparks and he was a boring character, and because that dullard fell for Shannon she goes dark? But it did work for the character, which is odd, as GL tried it with Beth (who was off screen for years) and it never worked, and the character lost all connection to her past and became a plot point, the vixen, the bitch, the victim, the heroine..whoever was writing that day changed it.

That reminds me of Claire Ramsey circa 1985 and that, I think, was all from one writer. She went from sweet girl to bitch to psycho to brain damaged within the course of about a year until they shipped her off for brain rehab. When she resurfaced years later, everything seemed to have been forgotten except bitch mode and that seemed to work the best for her. 

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51 minutes ago, Reverend Ruthledge said:

That reminds me of Claire Ramsey circa 1985 and that, I think, was all from one writer. She went from sweet girl to bitch to psycho to brain damaged within the course of about a year until they shipped her off for brain rehab. When she resurfaced years later, everything seemed to have been forgotten except bitch mode and that seemed to work the best for her. 

Ha..the Pratt/Hammer interview was hilarious as she totally dissed McTavish for that.

Look what we have here!

 

now this was funny…

watching a 1991 ‘murder she wrote’ with martha byrne as a young amis woman, at the end of the show, is revealed as the killer of the minister who knocked her. up — with a pitchfork!

a coincidence? i think not! hunt block was also in the episode. 

Edited November 24, 2024Nov 24 by wonderwoman1951

Dont know if this was posted already, but a colorized episode from 1961!

 

In the P&G SoapClassics DVDs that Roger Newcomb curated, on the ATWT DVD, Disk 4, Villains & Vixens

1. Does anyone know what the dates are of any of the episodes?

2. Episode 2, When Villain Meets Vixen, who is this about?

Mark Pinter's McColl character may be getting married? Lisa as a brunette talking to some men, Not Meg Ryan, but a Betsy & Margaret Reed are talking at the side of this room ... 

3. Episode 4, Humiliation, who is this about?

As it opens I see Real Connor & then the Kasnoff brother that is with her, comes in. Connor was praying that Cal be able to walk again. Is that Samantha & is she blind? Is that Shawn Christian & the first Rosanna? In formal wear, Lucinda, Lisa, all of a sudden John Dixon up on an enormous screen ... 

Episode 3 is about Lucinda and John. 

 

Disc 4: Villains and Vixens
Episode 1: John Dixon Takes a Fall.  (May 14, 1981)
Episode 2: The Return of James Stenbeck. (November 7, 1986)
Episode 3: When Villain Meets Vixen. (March 20, 1987)
Episode 4: Humiliation. (April 15, 1996)
Episode 5: The Trials of Barbara Ryan. (July 22, 2002)

Humiliation is about John humiliating Lisa at their engagement party.

 

3 hours ago, Contessa Donatella said:

 

3. Episode 4, Humiliation, who is this about?

As it opens I see Real Connor & then the Kasnoff brother that is with her, comes in. Connor was praying that Cal be able to walk again. Is that Samantha & is she blind? Is that Shawn Christian & the first Rosanna? In formal wear, Lucinda, Lisa, all of a sudden John Dixon up on an enormous screen ... 

"other" Kasnoff is Mark.

Yes. Sam was blinded in a plane crash. In the same crash, Damian was presumed dead and Margo developed PTSD. The villainous Umberto Malzone (aka Diego Santana) was responsible for the crash and is masquerading as Sam's therapist. Emily somehow found out who he was, and helped him terrorize Sam. When Em threatens to turn on him, he rapes her.

Yes. that's OG Mike and OG Rosanna.

33 minutes ago, P.J. said:

"other" Kasnoff is Mark.

Yes. Sam was blinded in a plane crash. In the same crash, Damian was presumed dead and Margo developed PTSD. The villainous Umberto Malzone (aka Diego Santana) was responsible for the crash and is masquerading as Sam's therapist. Emily somehow found out who he was, and helped him terrorize Sam. When Em threatens to turn on him, he rapes her.

Yes. that's OG Mike and OG Rosanna.

Thanks so much!! You've made a huge difference. 

2 hours ago, Soapsuds said:

Episode 3 is about Lucinda and John. 

 

Disc 4: Villains and Vixens
Episode 1: John Dixon Takes a Fall.  (May 14, 1981)
Episode 2: The Return of James Stenbeck. (November 7, 1986)
Episode 3: When Villain Meets Vixen. (March 20, 1987)
Episode 4: Humiliation. (April 15, 1996)
Episode 5: The Trials of Barbara Ryan. (July 22, 2002)

Humiliation is about John humiliating Lisa at their engagement party.

 

Thanks!!! This is great! I knew I could count on y'all! 

1 hour ago, Contessa Donatella said:

Thanks so much!! You've made a huge difference. 

In case it's not spelled out, Carly is pregnant with Mike's child. She's scheming with Lisa's son Scott Eldredge (that's Doug Wert, he'd previously been played by Joe Breen). It's the last month of Maura's first run on the show.

1 hour ago, P.J. said:

In case it's not spelled out, Carly is pregnant with Mike's child. She's scheming with Lisa's son Scott Eldredge (that's Doug Wert, he'd previously been played by Joe Breen). It's the last month of Maura's first run on the show.

Shawn Christian's Mike or Mike Kasnoff or wasn't there another Mike, also?

Thanks some more!!

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I somehow missed your tagging me in the ATWT ep, @DRW50.

Thank you, as always. I'd miss so much without kind folks tagging me!