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Nah, I refuse to believe VP never will come back under any circumstances. Everyone has a price. Just ask Lisa Rinna. wink.png

For one thing, it isn't Leonard Katzman's misogynistic version of DALLAS anymore, where the women (and everyone else) play second fiddle to Bobby and J.R. or else.

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Years ago, I read an interview with Linda Gray (right around the time, I think, she was starting MODELS, INC.) where she stated (and I'm paraphrasing) how she fought hard to change the ingrained, "boys' club" mentality that pervaded, especially where her character was concerned; and how, to that end, Lenny Katzman was changing ever-so-slightly and allowing Sue Ellen to have more power on the show. Of course, this was after VP and Pam had left, so she never benefitted from any of this evolution.

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The truth is, though, DALLAS was exceedingly male-driven, which is why I tended to prefer KNOTS LANDING, a show that I saw as being more equal in terms of attitudes toward male and female characters.

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Just one of many reasons I prefered Knots. Dallas probably was though the most male-centric or "masculine" of the major primetime soaps--even in the way pretentious gender studies and media studies students use the terms masculine vs feminie storytelling, as well as literal.

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I think the problem with "male driven" shows is that it tends to throw women under the bus, so to speak. On women driven shows, the men still hold their own and have the opportunity to shine and truly have "equal" status, but on shows like Dallas and today, General Hospital, they are treated as props and the whole nature of it comes off as rather misogynistic. I never really watched Dallas all that much, so forgive me if my assumption is baseless, but from shows that I've seen that have a male driven enviroment, that is how it has always come off to me.

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Initially Dallas had JR and Pam as equals, but then it became all about JR's smirking and chuckling and how he kept women in their place. It's one of the reasons I didn't enjoy the show as much as many do...that and Larry Hagman is just too unsympathetic an actor for me to enjoy.

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As male as Dallas was, no one outshined Sue Ellen and Pam. They were two of the most central figures on the show, the entire series was initially looking at the Ewings through Pam's eyes. i always see blather about strong women this and strong women that, but no one remembers really Sue Ellen from her so-called strong woman days because those days were deadly dull. She was a much more interesting character as a weak drunk than she was a lingerie mogul of some company nobody cared about. And the fact she was weak didn't take away from Donna being strong. Donna was rich and powerful in her own right, but for the most part was dull. Pam wasn't rich but she was powerful because she had moral integrity and could not be corrupted or conquered by any man on the show. They were not superior to Sue Ellen though, because her boozing and cheating were part of what made her great, not the shoulder pad wearing mini tycoon years.

I don't think it is a given that strong women are more interesting than weak women any more than strong men are more interesting than weak men. In Dracula, after Dracula the marquee role is his slave, Renfield. Soaps had enough Alexises and shows starring female JRs, Dallas was the one show where the guys got equal time.

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I only saw the first episode and thought JM did well. I didnt think anyone was awful

This show needs a bigger cast. Cant beleive there's only 4 characters in the younger set and then a huge gap to the 50/60s crowd. I wish there was representation in the 30s/40s group and possibly more outside just the Ewing clan.

How many episodes is season 1 or "Year 14"?

Agree with the complaints about the opening. I wish they had put some cast shots in there bc as it stands, it looks rather bland. Dallas had such an iconic opening so Im glad they at least kept the music

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