Y&R recast history question

[Cheap21]

lol..what the heck is up with those big ass goofy glasses the Abbot siblings have? lol

[Quent]

It was nice to see Terry Lester do something completely different as Lucinda's brother Royce on ATWT. He played someone with multiple personalities, kind of a Jekyll and Hyde thing. He worked well with Kelley Hensley as his love interest. ( I can still see them together on that great location shoot on the Amalfi coast).

[MarkH]

Ahem, weird, LOL! I think my preferences for both Mallory and Adair show what I prefer...grounded, realistic, not over-the-top, relatable, shades of likeability PLUS another side. I'd rank Adair well above Mallory, though.

I agree with you though, about how long it took Walton and Bergman to be accepted as recasts. I don't think Epperson was ever accepted either--I agree with DeeeDee's assessment of her (and Susan Walters, by the way). Eileen Davidson's Ashley is NOT a nice woman! She is not a treacly heroine. She calls Jack on his sh!t, she showed great selfishness when pursuing Victor (who was married with children), she can be snooty and unwelcoming. But she manages to do all this and STILL be one of the show's driving female protagonists with a fanbase. All those shadings went away with Epperson...my read of her was all-sweets all-the-time.

Although, when I rewatch clips of her (like that "Brad's proposal rap" I posted on Youtube), I see she wasn't all sweet. She had a b!tchy side to her too. But I never accepted her for a moment.

But I beat against the current. I'd accept Shari Shattuck OVER Epperson ANY day. So don't listen to me, LOL.

[Khan]

Davidson vs. Epperson? Davidson.

Lester vs. Bergman? Lester.

Dickson vs. all the other Jills? Dickson, Dickson, a thousand times, Dickson.

[DRW50]

I'm not sure if she's written that way. Ashley suffered and suffered for most of Davidson's first run -- she was always punished for any of her sins, having mental breakdowns and needing men to come save her. In many ways she was more of the treacly, cliched "nice" woman than most Y&R heroines of that era, aside from Traci or Cricket. The main difference is that Davidson is such a cold actress, but I'm not sure if that balances out the writing or just makes some of it even more uncomfortable, like the awful way Ashley came across in her 2008 return before yet another Ashley goes crazy/Ashley tormented and loses baby saga.

[alphanguy74]

Well... Mark, it depends on which era you discuss. I think no other Jill compares to Dickson of the 70's. 80's... not so much. But Adair just seems to play any part she's cast in the same way. And she just doens't have much screen presence to me. My dislike of Mallory is the way she SPOKE. so measured, so POLITE, so unnatural. She's just a pale comparsion to Lynde, for me. And you like SHATTUCK over Epperson!! OMG! Let's take your temperature, sweetie! I would like to see on youtube the scene where Epperson goes off the wall and starts to stab her pillow with a paring knife, and Jill runs in and has to wrestle it away from her. that was spooky and chilling.

[DeeeDee]

Nah.

Traci & Cricket were cookie cutter heroines especially Cricket.

Ashley was always different cause she was prickly nor was she vapid. She was smart, driven & knew her own mind.

[DRW50]

I'm sorry, I worded that poorly. I meant that Traci and Cricket were basically cookie cutter heroines. I don't think most of the other major women on Y&R at that time, like Nina, Jill, Lauren, Nikki, were so much in that mould. I put Ashley closer to Traci and Cricket than any other major female characters on Y&R at that time because it seemed like after a few years many of her stories became about having breakdowns and Victor saving her, losing Victor, Steve Lassiter saving her, losing Steven, etc.

[DeeeDee]

MTS is/was second only to Genie Francis in the ingenue business.

But through all that Ashley never lost her edge until Eileen left.

Ashley was still intelligent & driven even when her love life was a mess.

She's more Ryan's Hope Jill than AW's Alice.