Members Vee Posted December 11, 2009 Members Share Posted December 11, 2009 They could not have hired anyone dykier than Laura Allen for that Bianca/Laura tease. Good Lord. I loved that storyline and then it fell apart so Laura could humiliate herself for Leo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members EricMontreal22 Posted December 11, 2009 Members Share Posted December 11, 2009 97 Was when I first started talking soaps online (one of the old Usenet groups I think) I remember cuz one of the first things I found out was my beloved The City had been canceled, but then I was thrilled about Daytime to Remember (this was before any video sites online--long before--and I seriously never thought I'd ever get a chance to see classic soap clips, let alone full episodes before). But yeah I remember TONS of gossip about JFP going to AMC and I had no diea who she was but just from the way people talked I dreaded that she would. LOL She did go to OLTL and gut it but, OLTL really was in an awful state--the last half of the 90s (with some good moments under the Labines) were really just a complete wash for OLTL, IMHO. In fact by the time McTavish joined OLTL and basically followed JFP's orders the show at least finally had momentum (it was much worse under JFp and Pam Long, and then really just a bizarre wash whern JFP was HW as well) Aww gotta love Passanante's classic "Laure is suddenly, out of NOWHERE, a complete man obsessed psycho bitch now that she has Gillian's heart" story! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members EricMontreal22 Posted December 11, 2009 Members Share Posted December 11, 2009 HAHA I will agree with (and love) your last two sentences, but really the DID was the only way to responsibly go IMHO AND made great soap. By then it was known that DID simply didn't happen without serously traumatic, almost always sexual abuse and (not to make this too heavy) I know from real life with someone close to me that such instances really can be nearly completely blocked out and even invisible to people and only be revealed decades later. That kinda story is IDEAL to tell on a soap--so why not? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members DRW50 Posted December 11, 2009 Members Share Posted December 11, 2009 It was quite odd because I remember some people enjoyed the Bianca/Leo friendship so much and talked about how if she would be with any man, it would be him, and imagine Greenlee's fury, and so on. Then a variation of that happened, but with Laura. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members EricMontreal22 Posted December 11, 2009 Members Share Posted December 11, 2009 Oh I sooooo disagree. I'm with Carl--to give Erica longetivity they had to delve into this--it's also much more compelling to a modern audience to have an "anti hero" (not sure if Erica really has been one for a long time but I get the term for her) deal with these issues then to have the more traditional soap heroine. It adds a whole other elemenet. (Of course it's too bad that AMC, even before McTavish and of course this is a soap and indeed a storytelling cliche anyway does use the rape story element to absolve these character sin a sense, and often make them more boring afterwards, but I totally get why they use it at the same time). I also think Agnes alwasy saw Erica with a dark even hopeless quality to her on some level--which is why nothing is EVER fully good enough for her--no man, no job, no success she always needs more to fulfill that problem in her--and I actually like how over the years they've slowly shown and resolved some of this. One reason the alcoholic storyline didn't really work (though I admit I loved the intervention overall)was it was an odd attempt to mix light/fun/camp Erica (she's a showgirl! With a wig! A drunk showgirl in Vegas!) with the serious aspect and, well frankly I dunno if anyone would abeen able to make those two stories and elements gel, but it just didn't work. (I'll admit I was just pissed off that we didn't get to see even ONE ridiculously campy performance by Erica as the showgirl--that would have almost justified it all for me) The Bianca/Leo friendship (which I give Agnes credit for ) was great, but I don't quite follow--you mean Laura woulda been to Greenlee and Leo what Greenlee would abeen to Bianca and Leo? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members R Sinclair Posted December 11, 2009 Members Share Posted December 11, 2009 That's never been my style, Eric [equally forced smile]. She has said plenty of times she used her own history of her parents divorce and her father leaving and the subsequent feelings of abandonment as part of her creation of Erica. What she's denied is that ERICA KANE is based on AGNES ECKHARDT and that they are one and the same. But the back story is the same. She's never painted her father as this evil, mean, loveless man who just up and left, but she does make mention of how his leaving had an effect on her. That's where I was going with my comment. That I don't think it was ever Agnes' intention to have Eric turn into this vile pimp who sold his 14 year old into sex slavery. Again... that's another McTavish staple. On General Hospital, she had Edward Quatermaine sell off Skye as a baby as well. Taking the patriarch and demonizing him. If you remember back during the Purgatory stint of 2003-2007, there were quite a few "the sins of the father are visited upon the son" references. Chandlers, Cambias and even, apparently Eric Kane became a disgusting father. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members DRW50 Posted December 11, 2009 Members Share Posted December 11, 2009 I meant that some of the fans who weren't invested in Bianca as a lesbian liked her with Leo and hoped they could become more than friends. Part of that was also because of the Greenlee/Bianca feud. It wasn't intentional but I think the show ended up transferring some of that into the Laura/Greenlee/Leo story. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members EricMontreal22 Posted December 11, 2009 Members Share Posted December 11, 2009 I guess this is where we totally disagree. I respect what you mean, but I LOVED the G/M/G era and I thought Pam Long's era was perhaps the least watchable OLTL has been the past decade, outside of the worse of Higley (ok I actually tuned out huge periods of Higley) and some of JFP's solo era. And that says a lot (I think a good half of th epast 14 years of OLTL have been a complete mess) I really wouldn't want her even CLOSE to AMC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Sylph Posted December 11, 2009 Author Members Share Posted December 11, 2009 Good thing McTavish is no longer referred to as The Writer! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members EricMontreal22 Posted December 11, 2009 Members Share Posted December 11, 2009 Isn't that a common soap plot device--some would pretentiously trace it back to Dickens and before--in general? though I agree McTavish took it and ran amuck. OK I get more what you mean about Agnes and her dad--though of course she relates in All Her Children she had a close relationship with her real father--he never abandoned her (close in terms of proximity, I don't think he was a very emotional man what with his funeral garment industry) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members R Sinclair Posted December 11, 2009 Members Share Posted December 11, 2009 I knew you were going to bring up that damn book. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Sylph Posted December 11, 2009 Author Members Share Posted December 11, 2009 I was expecting a reference to LaGuardia or Waggett or something. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members EricMontreal22 Posted December 11, 2009 Members Share Posted December 11, 2009 I know you grew up with soaps, like me (except, sadly, I grew up watching them alone not with parents or grandparents lol) but if you don't mind me asking, how old are you? I thought you were maybe just a bit older than me--but you talk about the day to day storytelling being important and how much you loved early 80s AMC and OLTL so I assume I was wrong... LaGuardia's a hack (his Monty Clift bio actually just makes up stuff and presents it as fact) though his soap books are great as a time capsule, and Waggett basically just regurgitates facts and things from otherboks--Schemering's where it's at people Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Sylph Posted December 11, 2009 Author Members Share Posted December 11, 2009 Schemering! How could I forget!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members R Sinclair Posted December 12, 2009 Members Share Posted December 12, 2009 Seriously? That's interesting! My mom was TOTALLY my gateway into soaps. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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