31 minutes ago, DRW50 said:

Isn't he paired with Olivia for a while? Oddly I think some people felt that was one of her better pairings.

Good Lord....it sounds vaguely familiar. Olivia certainly inherited the Golden HooHa badge from Reva. She got more Dick than a convention of Richards. I just generally loathed the character and hated her stories, period. I don't get people's liking of Crystal Chappel. Olivia was another character who wore out her welcome long before the end of the show.

7 minutes ago, TheyStartedOnSoaps said:

According to Margaret Colin (Deas wife) he was fine with that. By that point he had lost his ambition, and was perfectly fine being a house husband while Colin travelled the world purusing her career. Deas gave up his career to stay at home with the kids, and letting Colin pursue hers. He was fine staying at Guiding Light to provide security and health insurance for the kids. 

Personally, I think that's great. I just wish he'd have done it somewhere other than GL.

1 hour ago, P.J. said:

Personally, I think that's great. I just wish he'd have done it somewhere other than GL.

LOL!  Ya know, I really didn't like Buzz AT ALL in 1995-1996, but when Jenna came back, he got way more calm and likable throughout 1997-1998. It's like Deas was on something that made him so hyper and 'on' in the beginning, and then he took some much needed chill pills. I don't really mind him anymore, at least right now haha. 

8 minutes ago, alwaysAMC said:

LOL!  Ya know, I really didn't like Buzz AT ALL in 1995-1996, but when Jenna came back, he got way more calm and likable throughout 1997-1998. It's like Deas was on something that made him so hyper and 'on' in the beginning, and then he took some much needed chill pills. I don't really mind him anymore, at least right now haha. 

I generally feel the same about Buzz. I found him unbearable in his first 2-3 years on the show. After that he tones down.

I’m up to April 03, 1998.

Holly tells Ross everything that happened with Roger, Fletcher and Meg and he consoles her. Ross finds out that Fletcher withdrew half the money in their account and flew to London. Holly rushes to the airport and tries to find the overseas passenger lists, but she gets arrested. Hart is there too, randomly, and helps Holly and gets arrested with her. In a surprise move, Ben gets them off with no charges during their court hearing, which worries Ross/Blake as they’re suspicious.

Blake goes to Ben’s place looking for the tape. He arrives and plays cat and mouse until he finally reveals where the tape is. He continues his ultimatum, either sleep with him or he destroys the tape. If she sleeps with him, he’ll let her be the heroine and ‘find’ the tape. She decides to go through with it and undresses and allows him to kiss her. She keeps reminding him that her body is here, but her mind is totally out of it and she isn’t enjoying it. She even questions if this is rape. They continue, but Ben stops them before they go all the way and claims it truly is blackmail and wouldn’t be right (jerk!). He wants her to want it, so he doesn’t give her the tape. Later, Blake tells Holly everything about Ben and how she can’t shake these weird feelings she has for Ben. Blake goes to Ben to tell him she’s leaving town for a while, but they continue to flirt and Ben can’t quit her, so he gives her the tape to stay in town. Later, Ross wants to take Blake to France for 2 weeks, but finds a tape in Blake’s bag. She covers by saying it was delivered while she was gone, so Ross plays it and realizes it’s the courtroom tape he’s been looking for. He is confused why Ben would hand it over and presses Blake about the truth, but she keeps denying knowing anything. He calls Rick to give him the good news that they will start the process of getting Abby out of prison.

Meanwhile, Abby is now in prison and having a hard time being deaf because the inmates and guards don’t understand and are mean to her. Her new cellmate is Selena Davis, who happens to actually be friendly to her.

Jesse continues his ruse by pretending to be ‘Carlos’ at Michelle’s blind facility. They get closer and teach each other Spanish and English (it’s super cute). Michelle trips over a chair and falls, and Jesse rushes to help her. She stands up and can start to see fuzzy shadows!

Beth keeps asking Harley/Phillip to stop looking for Carl. As Beth gets into an elevator, Carl walks in and reveals he’s in Springfield, which shocks Beth. He’s aggressive and threatening and mad that she told people about him. Later, he confronts her again at the hospital with Lillian. Lillian and Beth have some great scenes where she tells Lillian the truth about everything, and they’re worried that Carl will go after Harley since she’s investigating him. That night at the diner, Carl gets to Harley in the alleyway and spooks her. He tells her that Beth told him that Harley is on him, so Harley is now upset with Beth for putting her in danger. But Harley steps up to Carl and tells him to F off basically and he leaves. At the Spaulding mansion, Lizzie screams because she see Carl outside her window, so Phillip finds him outside, they get into a fight, and Alan arrives. Alan helps subdue him while Phillip runs to the police, but we find out Alan hired Carl and they’re working together (of course, Alan sucks). Although Alan/Carl get into it and Alan tells him to never come back to SF, so that’s good. Beth and Lillian are distraught.

Dinah is over Rob because he’s spending her money and doing nothing she wants.

Another day later and Reva’s clone is now a mouthy, defiant pre-teen (and very annoying). This is weird watching Josh feed her information and make her more like Reva. Reva demands time outside, so Josh takes her to the park. While swinging her, Cassie/Marah walk up shocked and ask who this girl is. Josh said he’s doing a friend a favor, so Cassie introduces herself and the girl says her name is Reva LOL. Josh tells Cassie that Michael works for a foster home and he’s just babysitting, which Cassie isn’t buying. Cassie tells Josh that she thinks that is Reva’s secret daughter, which Josh says isn’t true. Marah and the clone don’t get along at all and start fighting. I’m surprised no one is talking about Annie and wondering where she must be since they know she escaped prison, hmm. The next day, the clone Reva has run away and Josh finds her in a rowdy bar dancing with men. She’s older now, probably late teen/early 20s, and she’s enjoying being the popular girl with all the attention. (This is the same actress that will later play Michelle Bauer, replacing Budig). She now wants to dance again with Josh like they did as kids at Cross Creek, making up stories of their past that he doesn’t remember, which shocks Josh. He picks her up and hauls her out of the bar back home. I don’t understand why the clone isn’t wondering why she’s aging so quickly and looking different every other day. It’s not like the brain restarts each day. You’d think the clone would be freaking out about all of this. Anyway, they’re back at Michael’s and she’s calling him a geek (LOL) and Josh mean, and she just wants beer and pizza instead of cookies and milk, and the guys are definitely having a hard time controlling the clone. She then flirts with “Bud”, good grief haha. She forces Josh to take her shopping and of course she wants a red dress (eye roll). While they’re out, Cassie and Billy visit Michael to get answers, with Billy really strong-arming him. Josh calls Michael from the dress shop and Michael says he has company and to not come over. Later, Cassie dials *69 and realizes it’s a dress shop and now thinks Josh is having an affair. The next day, Cassie/Billy confront Josh again at Lewis Oil and he’s adamant he’s not having an affair. Meanwhile, the clone locks Michael in a bedroom (he’s so weak in this storyline), and she goes to Lewis Oil and says hi to Cassie haha. She tells her they met in the park (when she was younger), but Cassie of course doesn’t recognize her. She then says she loves Josh and Cassie realizes this is the girl he’s having an affair with. Josh hears them screaming at each other and he rushes her out and back home to Michael’s. Josh finally sits the clone down and explains what happened to the real Reva and who the clone is. Of course she’s pissed off about the whole thing and thinks she’s a freak. Later, Michael finally tells Cassie that he’s been working on a rapid age project and the two Reva girls she saw were the same person, which she doesn’t believe at all. Josh tells the clone he doesn’t want her to age anymore and to just enjoy life at her own pace, but she wants to get older because she loves him. Just as she says she loves him and hugs him, Cassie is at the door and hears it and goes off on them for being together and cheating on Reva. The clone is feisty towards Cassie and threatens to beat her up LOL. Josh finally just tells Cassie the truth about everything and she’s very sad, but thinks it’s disgusting and runs off as the clone takes more of her aging serum so she and Josh can be the same age and together. The clone now wants to have sex with Josh, and he declines her, but she pulls him into a kiss. He stops it and later, Cassie says she’ll play along only because she wants to protect Marah/Shayne. Dinah sees Cassie/Josh together and starts to assume they’re having an affair.

Ok now the clone wants to go to Genoa City because a soap opera, Y&R, is based there and she wants to meet Mrs. Chancellor, but Cassie/Josh tell her it’s not real and just a soap opera that Billy and Wanda used to watch on their lunch break LOL. Josh has to tell her not everything you see on TV is real. I wonder why they added that in there - publicity for Y&R or because they got so much backlash on this story not being realistic?

Meanwhile, the real Reva is walking around the deserted island screaming for help, threatening fish and eating coconuts LOL. Oh, now she’s having blurry visions of a man picking her up, which she realizes with her hurt leg, she couldn’t have gotten from the shore to where she is now. Now a man on the island is watching her from a distance. She’s made a little shelter and screaming out that she’s a SURVIVOR. Really makes you wonder if the producers of Survivor got the idea from GL haha. Why is her voice so southern twang now on the island? So ridiculous haha. Now she’s skinny dipping at night and the man finally reveals himself and tells her to get out. He’s a handsome, hunky shirtless man, how lucky. Josh who? LOL…  But she won’t shut up and he gets annoyed by her, so he walks away. She finds him fishing the next day and he handles her well, although she annoys him haha. She finally tries to be nice and get to know him, but he’s very guarded other than saying he came on a boat and sunk it, so he’s been a recluse on the island awhile now.

1 hour ago, DRW50 said:

I generally feel the same about Buzz. I found him unbearable in his first 2-3 years on the show. After that he tones down.

Aftermath of Maureen death until Nancy Curlee left the writing team, way too much Buzz and it was a chore to get through. I watched it online so I can only imagine how painful it was for those who watched in real time.

Other than the riveting reveal when Harley nails him to the wall for walking out on all of them, I just can't stand Buzz scenes. 

I don't understand how the character of Buzz lasted so long. He started off with that terrible accent which he quickly dropped. He took over the show and then became watchable. A while back, I posted Michael Logan's columns at the time where he was calling out how GL was unwatchable and that Deas was one of the reasons why. This was also during the time when JFP was coming up with fires/natural disasters every few months as some new ratings ploy to make things dramatic. He couldn't have been cheap  if they had to fire Parker to pay for him, so why keep him on? He wasn't worth all the trouble. His over the top acting might play well in Emmy reels but it doesn't make viewers want to stick around longterm. Writers seemed to like him and his character though so viewers go stuck with him. A shame as I thought he was an albatross.

I do think part of the allure of Deas was critical darling status. Especially in those first couple of years when Kim was still gone. I mean, he's probably a great guy and he was doing what was asked of him. The Coopers were an established family, and he and Jenna were a popular pairing.

But like Reva, Buzz wore on me. Honestly, Buzz never should've really been completely reconciled with Harley and Frank. He wasn't "a family guy"...but somehow wound up as Mr. Springfield. (well, except for sending Rocky off to Jenna's nonexistent family, or wherever those kids went for years and Rocky never came back from...)

@P.J. Which Friend of Jill incident was the most egregious: Vincent Irizarry, Justin Deas, Marj Dusay, Marcy Walker. We also saw Mark Derwin and Sonia Satra become Friends of Jill.

34 minutes ago, kalbir said:

@P.J. Which Friend of Jill incident was the most egregious: Vincent Irizarry, Justin Deas, Marj Dusay, Marcy Walker. We also saw Mark Derwin and Sonia Satra become Friends of Jill.

I wonder how much of an FOJ Marj was. Marj was never at Santa Barbara for that long, and I'm not sure how much she overlapped with Jill. I also can't say JFP did her any favors at GL - she was thrown to the wolves almost immediately.

Edited October 5Oct 5 by DRW50

55 minutes ago, kalbir said:

@P.J. Which Friend of Jill incident was the most egregious: Vincent Irizarry, Justin Deas, Marj Dusay, Marcy Walker. We also saw Mark Derwin and Sonia Satra become Friends of Jill.

For me, it's not even close. Deas, by a mile. I found Nick annoying, but Irizarry at least had a history with the show before Jill was involved, and Nick never seemed to eat the show. 

Deas is the male equivalent of Kim Zimmer. A little went a long way, and he seemed to get these "moral center of the universe" moments that just left you scratching your head. 

I actually liked Marj Dusay, much more than others here do. Not being Beverlee McKinsey isn't a crime. Marj was a respected character actress long before her soap days.

Marcy Walker was screwed over by Jill. While the character of Tangie was bad, it's not really a reflection on her.

Edited October 5Oct 5 by P.J.

Thanks for the reply @P.J.

Marcy Walker turned down B&B and joined GL instead, but I have no idea how she would've fit on B&B in 1993 as their cast then was quite full of females around her age plus I think she dodged a bullet by not having to deal with Bradley writing for her. Then again JFP/Curlee didn't really give Marcy Walker any better material than what Bradley probably would've given her.

21 minutes ago, P.J. said:

I actually liked Marj Dusay, much more than others here do. Not being Beverlee McKinsey isn't a crime. Marj was a respected character actress long before her soap days.

Love to hear this!  Marj was a national treasure. Even if she wasn't exactly right for a role, she just always made me laugh or be enthralled by her. I also imagine she was probably just a fun person to be around in real life.

11 minutes ago, kalbir said:

Thanks for the reply @P.J.

Marcy Walker turned down B&B and joined GL instead, but I have no idea how she would've fit on B&B in 1993 as their cast then was quite full of females around her age plus I think she dodged a bullet by not having to deal with Bradley writing for her. Then again JFP/Curlee didn't really give Marcy Walker any better material than what Bradley probably would've given her.

While we'd never know what her path at B&B would have been, I'm just glad she decided on GL and it bombed... because she immediately went back to AMC and that return was fantastic and well-timed!

1 minute ago, alwaysAMC said:

While we'd never know what her path at B&B would have been, I'm just glad she decided on GL and it bombed... because she immediately went back to AMC and that return was fantastic and well-timed!

Marcy Walker GL run was fall 1993 to summer 1995, so not even two full years. Her return to All My Children was not long after, I think early fall.