@MLH I can't find your exact post, but regarding what you said about the recast Roger not being able to play Roger's signature stories, like raping Holly, I do agree with that. I think Roger was just not recastable, but Dennis Parlato was more suited to playing the levels of Clay on Loving (who was on the surface similar - messy relationship with his daughter, businessman, loved the ladies, haunted, but underneath was a very different character). I liked Dennis on Loving and I wanted to give him a chance, but I just couldn't after what P&G did to Zaslow. And he seemed very ill-at-ease to me, as if even he knew the whole thing was wrong.

54 minutes ago, DRW50 said:

think this was kind of a mess backstage (although I may be wrong), similar to some of the issues the show had in the mid/late '00s with real life actor relationships. That may be one of the reasons why Rauch hit the brakes on the relationship...although it may have just been that he realized what Laibson didn't, that Wendy Moniz was better at playing an insecure bitch than a heroine.

They hit the brakes on the relationship because, as you said Moniz does not make a great heroine ( you can tell she is still playing Dark Dinah despite McTavish trying to make her the hero, so its just weird...) and Rauch/MADD were addicted to the good girl/dumb guy/bad girl formula. Problem was Grillo had more chemistry with his mirror then either one of his ladies...(I remember at the time people wondering why he wasnt cast as a Santos..now that I could buy and I think finally a Santos would be skeevy/scary.)

The Dinah/Hart relationship was in full swing on screen when Grillo was a recast and eventually started banging Moniz in the dressing rooms and then left his I think, preggers wife.  Dinah shoots Hart as in a misquided punishement from Rauch...they both were playing hardball at contract time and Rauch made sure (he thought) that neither could return to their old roles.

38 minutes ago, Mitch64 said:

Problem was Grillo had more chemistry with his mirror then either one of his ladies...

That and the actor who played the first Rob "cheap trade" Layne...I wonder which episode those scenes of them rolling around on a bed is from.

Edited July 11Jul 11 by DRW50

1 hour ago, DRW50 said:

@MLH I can't find your exact post, but regarding what you said about the recast Roger not being able to play Roger's signature stories, like raping Holly, I do agree with that. I think Roger was just not recastable, but Dennis Parlato was more suited to playing the levels of Clay on Loving (who was on the surface similar - messy relationship with his daughter, businessman, loved the ladies, haunted, but underneath was a very different character). I liked Dennis on Loving and I wanted to give him a chance, but I just couldn't after what P&G did to Zaslow. And he seemed very ill-at-ease to me, as if even he knew the whole thing was wrong.

I don't blame the show recasting. I blame them for how they did it. Michael was already very unhappy. Why they couldn't sit down with him and ask how they could help was beyond me. He was humiliated when he was fired, but couldn't say anything. Then how the show had Roger just up and leave made no sense either.

Too bad Roger didn't have Vanessa's storyline with Holly or Amanda finding him. But, I guess they did that for the actress playing her and TPTB didn't want to do it for Michael

7 minutes ago, DRW50 said:

That and the actor who played the first Rob "cheap trade" Layne...I wonder which episode those scenes of them rolling around on a bed are from.

LOL..I think Grillo went and got those tapes and had them all burned...he found his perfect screen partner!

I forgot about Rob Layne..who pranced around town with a t-shirt that said "evil"! If the clone didn't tip you off that the show was geared to idiots now, that did! If only Reva had a T-Shirt that said, "Seen better days but still open for business!"

And Rauch was even dumb enough to bring Rob back, recast as that dumb guy from Sunset Beach or whatever. The quotes from someone was "The ladies are going to be drooling all over their tv screens." LOL..did they mean the Rest Home that were the only ones watching???

 

Just now, MLH said:

Too bad Roger didn't have Vanessa's storyline with Holly or Amanda finding him. But, I guess they did that for the actress playing her and TPTB didn't want to do it for Michael

Those scenes between he and Van are really hard to watch now..her playing an illness that was the kind that was rapidly hitting him in reality. I never knew why they didn't show Roger showing up just as Van was leaving...just one scene, "I kept your secret now you can keep mine" and then we cut. We don't know what he says to Van and when she comes back she is very nervous when anyone mentions the missing Roger..torn between telling everyone and keeping her word. And they could have worked it from there.

I thought Paltro would have made a better Alan or Kyle recast.

1 minute ago, Mitch64 said:

LOL..I think Grillo went and got those tapes and had them all burned...he found his perfect screen partner!

I forgot about Rob Layne..who pranced around town with a t-shirt that said "evil"! If the clone didn't tip you off that the show was geared to idiots now, that did! If only Reva had a T-Shirt that said, "Seen better days but still open for business!"

And Rauch was even dumb enough to bring Rob back, recast as that dumb guy from Sunset Beach or whatever. The quotes from someone was "The ladies are going to be drooling all over their tv screens." LOL..did they mean the Rest Home that were the only ones watching???

I also have a memory of that Rob wearing a choker or a puka shell necklace...if there was ever a time to have a smarmy bisexual whore in male form on a soap that was it. '80s Reva would have loved him, I'm sure. 

Tim Adams was a very good looking guy but they never had any real purpose for him - I think he was there for some drama with Richard/Cassie and everyone knew how it was going to end. It would have been more interesting if he'd returned happy and with a new wife and kid and Cassie lashed out at him, resenting the years she wasted on him, which Edmund could have used against her.

1 hour ago, Mitch64 said:

1 hour ago, Mitch64 said:

LOL..I think Grillo went and got those tapes and had them all burned...he found his perfect screen partner!

I forgot about Rob Layne..who pranced around town with a t-shirt that said "evil"! If the clone didn't tip you off that the show was geared to idiots now, that did! If only Reva had a T-Shirt that said, "Seen better days but still open for business!"

 

 

OMG, that T-shirt for Reva would be hilarious!  

@Mitch64  I don't get why they didn't do that for Roger either.  The last scene with Roger with Michael Zaslow was him visiting Vanessa and seeing who left messages and deciding not to return Amanda's dozen of calls.

To be frank, I don't think they would have done a good story for Roger having ALS. The writing was so bad. Roger wasn't Roger any more.  OLTL did it right.  Maybe, it was meant to be that way. 

 

Edited July 11Jul 11 by MLH

Oh My Gosh! I just saw a YouTube video of Michael Zaslow and his wife Susan as part of a gameshow called Tattle Tales in 1976!  Could someone post it here?

Did any other person from Guiding Light went on that show? It would have been so cool to have other characters on the show too.

 

8 hours ago, DRW50 said:

What did happen to Lewis Oil in GL's last decade? Did Billy run it? Was it just running itself offcamera?

I remember reading something about in the late '90s that Phillip took over Lewis Oil. And something about how Josh, Billy, Jim and Matt quit rather than work for him. Then Lewis Construction started. At the end, it's either Lewis Construction or HB Lewis and Sons, as that seems to be the sign in Billy's office.

At one point around '07 or '08 (whenever Josh decided to run off and be a preacher), he leaves the company in Billy's hands. Billy starts drinking and accepts a bid from a dodgy supplier and there's some kind of building collapse. Cassie (I think) accepts the blame to protect Billy/the company. Later, Bill ousts Billy from the business and tips off the press that Billy's drinking again.

I'm not exactly sure if Bill merged Lewis with Spaulding, or if he and Dinah managed to take over Spaulding and renamed it Maximus.

4 minutes ago, P.J. said:

I remember reading something about in the late '90s that Phillip took over Lewis Oil. And something about how Josh, Billy, Jim and Matt quit rather than work for him. Then Lewis Construction started. At the end, it's either Lewis Construction or HB Lewis and Sons, as that seems to be the sign in Billy's office.

At one point around '07 or '08 (whenever Josh decided to run off and be a preacher), he leaves the company in Billy's hands. Billy starts drinking and accepts a bid from a dodgy supplier and there's some kind of building collapse. Cassie (I think) accepts the blame to protect Billy/the company. Later, Bill ousts Billy from the business and tips off the press that Billy's drinking again.

I'm not exactly sure if Bill merged Lewis with Spaulding, or if he and Dinah managed to take over Spaulding and renamed it Maximus.

Thanks. I am trying to remember that '90s story. I was still watching then but zoned out, clearly.

I guess that last story was from Jordan winning an Emmy. 

Thanks again for knowing all these details. 

Dinah would name something Maximus...

4 hours ago, MLH said:

To be frank, I don't think they would have done a good story for Roger having ALS. The writing was so bad. Roger wasn't Roger any more.  OLTL did it right.  Maybe, it was meant to be that way. 

1. I don't have any intention of ever being Frank. (The only Cooper or Cooper-adjacent I would be would be either Harley or Harley's female lover.)

2. You might be right. 

3. Even if you are right, I cannot give up even one iota of my bitterness toward MADD & RAUCH. (With others from P&G or CBS to be named at some future date.) Also will not.

1 hour ago, DRW50 said:

Thanks. I am trying to remember that '90s story. I was still watching then but zoned out, clearly.

I guess that last story was from Jordan winning an Emmy. 

Thanks again for knowing all these details. 

Dinah would name something Maximus...

Bill named it Maximus. Max was the name of the baby that he and Ava were going to raise. 

I shouldn't have said Lewis Construction started after Phillip took over Lewis Oil. Lewis had a construction division starting in the late '80's. When Josh came back to town, he had started working at a construction firm, and the owner died and left it to him. When Josh goes back to Lewis, he merges it with Lewis Oil. In the '90's Dylan is working in it, as he would rather be involved in construction rather than at the main office. Hart also briefly works there, when Billy hires him rather than press charges when he attempts to steal money from The Towers. (That added gas to the feud between Billy and Roger.)

Edited July 12Jul 12 by P.J.

9 hours ago, Mitch64 said:

 (plus, Lewis Oil was so outdated and SCREAMED 80s with Dallas and Dynasty.)

Yeah, oil companies were so 1980s.

Perhaps in the 1990s it could have diversified into Lewis Energy.

1 hour ago, P.J. said:

Bill named it Maximus. Max was the name of the baby that he and Ava were going to raise. 

I shouldn't have said Lewis Construction started after Phillip took over Lewis Oil. Lewis had a construction division starting in the late '80's. When Josh came back to town, he had started working at a construction firm, and the owner died and left it to him. When Josh goes back to Lewis, he merges it with Lewis Oil. In the '90's Dylan is working in it, as he would rather be involved in construction rather than at the main office. Hart also briefly works there, when Billy hires him rather than press charges when he attempts to steal money from The Towers. (That added gas to the feud between Billy and Roger.)

Thanks. I was not really watching during anything with Ava and Bill.

I did have memories of Lewis Construction in the Dylan years.

58 minutes ago, kalbir said:

Yeah, oil companies were so 1980s.

Perhaps in the 1990s it could have diversified into Lewis Energy.

I guess considering our current policy is to destroy any energy but fossil fuels, we can say GL was ahead of its time.