If you truly love something, you try to look for reasons to love it.

Since this is a TV show, as you've said, people are just calling it as they see it. Everyone is going to have a different view, and everyone who dislikes Y&R right now have stated their reasons why. Again, no one is simply saying "Y&R sucks" and that's it. People have gone into depth as to why the show isn't entertaining and is very poor right now in terms of writing and overall quality. If you and others want to ignore that, then that's up to you.

But people continue to watch in hopes that it will get better and that a better writing and producing team will come in bring credibility and a strong vision back to the show. Until then, those who are unhappy and concerned about the state of their show will talk about it, even if that's all they have to talk about when the show overall isn't very good to them.

Edited October 23, 200916 yr by Y&RWorldTurner

Since this is a TV show, as you've said, people are just calling it as they see it. Everyone is going to have a different view, and everyone who dislikes Y&R right now have stated their reasons why. Again, no one is simply saying "Y&R sucks" and that's it.

As Cashton said, people are giving up a phrase here or a sentence there, just to try and make a small effort to "appear" to have perspective. Week before last, when everyone was talking about how wonderful Beth's performances were, the best you could do was... "Beth has been great...BUT". Instead of seeing brilliant acting and relishing it for what it is (and truly bragging on an actress who really deserves applause, not just your passing phrases), your attitude was basically "She's good, but it doesn't matter, cause she's gonna be gone by next monday". And here it is, two weeks later, and she's still here. So you either heard wrong, or was making it up just to rain on someone's parade. Your'e like a bully on the playground knocking the ice cream out of everyone's hands because you got strawberry and wanted chocolate.

Edited October 23, 200916 yr by alphanguy74

As Cashton said, people are giving up a phrase here or a sentence there, just to try and make a small effort to "appear" to have perspective. Week before last, when everyone was talking about how wonderful Beth's performances were, the best you could do was... "Beth has been great...BUT". Instead of seeing brilliant acting and relishing it for what it is (and truly bragging on an actress who really deserves applause, not just your passing phrases), your attitude was basically "She's good, but it doesn't matter, cause she's gonna be gone by next monday". And here it is, two weeks later, and she's still here. So you either heard wrong, or was making it up just to rain on someone's parade. Your'e like a bully on the playground knocking the ice cream out of everyone's hands because you got strawberry and wanted chocolate.

Yes, and Beth is still on her way out, so it's all the same. Her purpose on the show was very short term, and was used to sooth a stupid story decision and death of a character that made no sense and the long-term aftermath has been atrocious. And with Braeden gone soon, it will be even more useless. Traci's only child is still dead, and Traci is still leaving town, so?

And my point about Beth was the story was she was invovled in, not how long she was going to be on. Once again, seeing only things you want to see, alphanguy.

You're one to talk about bullying, alphanguy, as you do it all the time. One needs to only point to that thread where you wanted people to "anoint" your feet when you thought Y&R was going a gay story. We SAW how well that worked out for you, right? You know, with people actually happy to see you not get your wish, as you were so arrogant about the show doing that particular story and totally dismissive of other people who had no belief in Y&R's writing team to do one.

And many different people are down on Y&R right now, you don't have to like it, it's the way it is. You can't change people and their opinions, live with it.

Edited October 23, 200916 yr by Y&RWorldTurner

You're one to talk about bullying, alphanguy, as you do it all the time. One needs to only point to that thread where you wanted people to "anoint" your feet when you thought Y&R was going a gay story. We SAW how well that worked out for you, right? You know, with people actually happy to see you not get your wish, as you were so arrogant about the show doing that particular story and totally dismissive of other people who had no belief in Y&R's writing team to do one.

That wasn't bullying... it was sticking my tongue out and saying "I told you so". And it was actually meant to be hands on the hips, sassy, campy comedy.... but unfortunately, my damned emoticons didn't work at the time, so perhaps it came across wrong. (IE seems to have issues with the board, I started using firefox, and my emoticons work now.) And the "I told you so" was not even for the carrying out of the gay SL, it was the fact that SOW was making it APPEAR that Hamner was saying something he wans't, and Maria DID clarify, and I was RIGHT... they either got derailed, or they BOTH were lying but me saying that SOW was putting a spin on soemthing AS USUAL was accurate.

Edited October 23, 200916 yr by alphanguy74

That wasn't bullying... it was sticking my tongue out and saying "I told you so".

To me it was telling people they were wrong and trying to rub their faces in it, which to me, is a form of "bullying."

And the "I told you so" was not even for the carrying out of the gay SL, it was the fact that SOW was making it APPEAR that Hamner was saying something he wans't, and Maria DID clarify, and I was RIGHT... they either got derailed, or they BOTH were lying but me saying that SOW was putting a spin on soemthing AS USUAL was accurate.

Then why were so saying for months that a gay story would come and trying to prove others they were wrong for doubting it would happen, given the way Phillip and Rafe have been treated by the writing team on this show since the beginning?

SOW is proven right, because a gay storyline isn't happening and Bierdz is on his way out. The only thing Maria clarified was that she's a damn liar. What happened to exploring Phillip and Rafe's "personal journeys?" Oh wait, those characters were almost never on and it never happened. Even you can see the horrible way in which these characters were written and treated by this regime.

To me it was telling people they were wrong and trying to rub their faces in it, which to me, is a form of "bullying."

Then why were so saying for months that a gay story would come and trying to prove others they were wrong for doubting it would happen, given the way Phillip and Rafe have been treated by the writing team on this show since the beginning?

SOW is proven right, because a gay storyline isn't happening and Bierdz is on his way out. The only thing Maria clarified was that she's a damn liar. What happened to exploring Phillip and Rafe's "personal journeys?" Oh wait, those characters were almost never on and it never happened. Even you can see the horrible way in which these characters were written and treated by this regime.

The end result was proven right, not the statement AT THE TIME. It's like if you ahve a friend that says he's coming over, and your'e CONVINCED he's not going to. I say he WILL and you say he WON'T... he gets in his car to come over, and is killed in an accident on the way to your house... and you sit here and say... "See, I TOLD YOU he wasn't coming over!"

The end result was proven right, not the statement AT THE TIME. It's like if you ahve a friend that says he's coming over, and your'e CONVINCED he's not going to. I say he WILL and you say he WON'T... he gets in his car to come over, and is killed in an accident on the way to your house... and you sit here and say... "See, I TOLD YOU he wasn't coming over!"

It's all about the long-term, alphaguy. In the long-term, SOW was right, and Maria lied to you.

And yeah, no one at SOW, Hamner, you, or Maria died so that this promised storyline couldn't happen...

It's all about the long-term, alphaguy. In the long-term, SOW was right, and Maria lied to you.

And yeah, no one at SOW, Hamner, you, or Maria died so that this promised storyline couldn't happen...

You do NOT know that. I'd like to believe someone is telling the truth until they are proven a liar. She might very well have lied. But I am not prepared to say she did until something else comes along to convince me. Like if Thom said she was a liar, I'd believe it. Now that Braeden's going... let's see what HE SAYS. If he STILL brags on her after all ties have been cut, that should answer our questions.

You do NOT know that. I'd like to believe someone is telling the truth until they are proven a liar. She might very well have lied. But I am not prepared to say she did until something else comes along to convince me.

So the fact she didn't write anything for Phillip III, the fact he was barely on, and the fact that at least two times she promised "multiple" gay stories and it never happened is not enough to call her a liar?

She didn't have to do a "gay" story. She could have written Phillip and explored his relationship with his family. But he was on the backburner since he came back and she gave him nothing worthwhile to do for SIX MONTHS.

Like if Thom said she was a liar, I'd believe it.

When did Thom become a saint and a lie detector test? He doesn't seem to know what's going on himself as to why his contract wasn't renewed.

Now that Braeden's going... let's see what HE SAYS. If he STILL brags on her after all ties have been cut, that should answer our questions.

Who cares? I doubt Braeden is going to do anything that smears the Bell family, who have been loyal to him for years and who he genuinely respects.

Edited October 23, 200916 yr by Y&RWorldTurner

When did Thom become a saint and a lie detector test? He doesn't seem to know what's going on himself as to why his contract wasn't renewed.

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Who cares? I doubt Braeden is going to do anything that smears the Bell family, who have been loyal to him for years and who he genuinely respects.

EXACTLY! Who would go on record and completely disrespect the Bells fi-core, scabbing, crappy, or otherwise? Everyone knows that's career suicide.

As Cashton said, people are giving up a phrase here or a sentence there, just to try and make a small effort to "appear" to have perspective. Week before last, when everyone was talking about how wonderful Beth's performances were, the best you could do was... "Beth has been great...BUT". Instead of seeing brilliant acting and relishing it for what it is (and truly bragging on an actress who really deserves applause, not just your passing phrases), your attitude was basically "She's good, but it doesn't matter, cause she's gonna be gone by next monday". And here it is, two weeks later, and she's still here.

BECAUSE LOOK AT WHAT THE F*CK THEY GAVE TO PLAY HER!

Traci was second fiddle, not only at her daughter's bedside, but at her funeral too? Yes, Beth deserves all the praise in the world for saving this story, but a supporting dayplayer actress' job is NOT to convey that kind of emotion. And whether it was Beth Maitland's instincts or the direct order of the directors or Rauch, she delivered. In fact, more than the call of duty, seeing as though they only brought her back to kill her daughter off and guarantee that she would be forgotten.

And even IF that's the way Y&RWorldTurner and everyone else was conveying that, what the hell does it matter anyway? He was right, we all were right. We were hoodwinked into believing this was a story about the Abbotts. And yet again, it became a pimpjuice for Billy. Embarassing.

So you either heard wrong, or was making it up just to rain on someone's parade. Your'e like a bully on the playground knocking the ice cream out of everyone's hands because you got strawberry and wanted chocolate.

And if that's the case, then you're the lonely little boy on the playground, DESPERATELY wanting to fit in with the cool kids who talk [!@#$%^&*] about you behind your back and say/think that you're too dumb to be better than them and their friendship and what they have.

If Y&RWorldTurner is a bully, at least he's not a dumb bully or the "popular kid on campus." At least he's honest.

The end result was proven right, not the statement AT THE TIME. It's like if you ahve a friend that says he's coming over, and your'e CONVINCED he's not going to. I say he WILL and you say he WON'T... he gets in his car to come over, and is killed in an accident on the way to your house... and you sit here and say... "See, I TOLD YOU he wasn't coming over!"

Pretty laughable, considering that Maria has more money than God and probably has her vag insured by Lloyds. [!@#$%^&*] the car or the burning house. She has enough money to get more tacky, new money clothes.

You do NOT know that.

Neither do you.

I'd like to believe someone is telling the truth until they are proven a liar. She might very well have lied. But I am not prepared to say she did until something else comes along to convince me. Like if Thom said she was a liar, I'd believe it. Now that Braeden's going... let's see what HE SAYS. If he STILL brags on her after all ties have been cut, that should answer our questions.

Who's going to badmouth

You're one to talk about bullying, alphanguy, as you do it all the time. One needs to only point to that thread where you wanted people to "anoint" your feet when you thought Y&R was going a gay story. We SAW how well that worked out for you, right? You know, with people actually happy to see you not get your wish, as you were so arrogant about the show doing that particular story and totally dismissive of other people who had no belief in Y&R's writing team to do one.

:lol: :lol:

I think you've got people's objectives wrong. No one wants to say anything bad about Y&R. But people, especially at SON, tend to call things the way they see them. But even if that were case(where people, as you allege, are hating on the show and have no objectivity), what about these delusional fanbois who KNOW that the show's not perfect, but instead of engaging in some sort of discussion as to what could improve or to explain why they like a story other than "I liked alot of the story this week" or "So what," said fanbois use fan criticism as the "perfect" opportunity to prove some sort of allegiance to Y&R and to make the ones with valid concerns seem "crazy" or "not true fans."

There has been a mix of BOTH, Cashton. And don't even trip.

You probably don't even read half the posts in Potpourri or anywhere else because of your fanwanking and hardon for Stacy Haiduk.

Amen.

Y&R was a 3.8 last week, up over half a million viewers from this time last year. I notice the haters are keeping their mouths shut about this.

Y&R was a 3.8 last week, up over half a million viewers from this time last year. I notice the haters are keeping their mouths shut about this.

That's your argument in favour of Y&R?

Watch it dip soon.

That's your argument in favour of Y&R?

Watch it dip soon.

Exactly, Y&R usually goes up when there's a holiday invovled.

Let's see how they do in November sweeps, you know, when ratings increases actually matter.

It still doesn't change the fact Y&R was DOWN season to season for the 2008-2009 season and the overall trends still aren't good. So while they might have had an increase last week, it means little in the overall picture.