Because people hope things will get better. I don't get why that is so hard to get. And people don't hate Y&R if they have watched for years. The hate what the show is becoming. When someone has watched the show for years and all of a sudden their favorites get crapped on and the show becomes a pale or twisted version of itself we hope it will get better.

So many stuck around even though they complained about LML because they had hope the show would get better. I know that is why I am sticking around now even though my personal favorites, Michael and Lauren, are afterthoughts and often nonentinties for this writing regime. Of course, the writers can go to far. Aggravated fans are not as loyal and FF's or may even skip shows but it is hard to give it up entirely. And the writers know this. That's why they dangle bones in front of fans and play games like they do with fan bases they care about (Phick/Shick).

Exactly.

BEST. POST. IN. THIS. THREAD.

Edited June 30, 200916 yr by Y&RWorldTurner

SOD's Mala Bhattacharjee's view on today's US episode. Here's her part on Y&R...

http://soapoperadigest.com/opinions/mala/

OPINION

Mala's Masala

June 29, 2009

Was I supposed to be laughing hysterically at Y&R's Adam today? 'Cause, dude, that was sheer comedy gold. I already discussed how young Rafe looks on Friday, but today, he pretty much made Adam look like Chester the Molester. Could their post-romp scene have been ANY more awkward? From the stiff posture to the straightening of shirt collars, I could not stop cracking up. I don't mean to be crass, but that had to have been the lamest, least passionate "afterglow" I've seen in my life. It's probably a good thing the sex that preceded it was off screen. Can you imagine how awkward that must have been? And then the hilarity continued with Adam dialing up Heather to immediately reassert his heterosexuality with an emergency booty call. Where it did take place? On the very same couch where he and Rafe played partially dressed Twister! Since Adam had enough sense to shower in between encounters, let's hope he cleaned that leather, too!

I know it's not politically correct to be laughing at this story — and I do acknowledge that it has deeply offensive elements — but I just can't take it seriously right now!

The only thing funnier than Adam's desperation was Victor finding Mary Jane's kitty and waving his hand in front of its glass eyes. I think at that point, I may have actually fallen out of my chair. Episodes of Y&R need to start coming with warnings, like "May cause hysteria" or "Please do not eat anything as choking may occur."

I feel like there's a strong thread of crack running through all the CBS shows lately. Mostly the good kind.

Edited June 30, 200916 yr by Y&RWorldTurner

I'm starting to realize something about MAB (this is episode specific, but it sort of relates to potpourri). Her soap experience was B&B. B&B never never develops emotional moments...at least, they haven't for a long time. Stories shift on a dime. I think a lot of what she is bringing to the show may be "B&B style" rather than Y&R style. This sudden sex plot with Rafe and Adam is typical B&B.

Dear God, NO!! This is my nightmare. Y&R has NOTHING to learn from B&B NOTHING!

It highlights what Sylph and I have been saying all along, Y&R is no different from any other soap out there. Regardless of what people like Nelson or some highly optimistic fans say. Y&R is just as guilty of the wrong-doings of the other soaps, but somehow, it seems it tends to get less of the backlash. It may not be as bad when compared to some other shows, but there's a lot of really bad and illogical storytelling on this show.

Edited June 30, 200916 yr by Y&RWorldTurner

I don't know Y&R I see your point, but at this point after watching Y&R as an adult. I just can't really watch any other soap in daytime if I tried, but that is just one person's opinion. Sure there are lots wrong and it can only go so much further before I get turned off completly but I still think tht's saying alot personally....

Am I the only one who misses, slow, boring in inexplicable good way Y&R that stretched things out and though it might annoy you sometimes, it was worth it for the payoff?

Though I had problems with him, I now consider Jack Smith's ouster to be the worst moment in Y&R history. After that, there's been a conscious effort from both LML and MAB to take this show away from the style of storytelling it used to do, and the need to "contemporize" a soap that spent over 30 years being true to that particular style of storytelling that brought it to #1 in the ratings in the fist place.

I miss it too. When the pace is too fast soaps burn through story too quickly. That is not a good thing, imo.

I miss it too. When the pace is too fast soaps burn through story too quickly. That is not a good thing, imo.

Thanks for bringing this discussion here, Julia.

I never understood the need to mess with this show's core identity, especially when it was #1 in the ratings and did so well in the demos. It's like they saw Y&R had a unique identity and they did everything they could to make it be like other soaps that were LOWER rated.

Edited June 30, 200916 yr by Y&RWorldTurner

Thanks for bringing this discussion here, Julia.

I never understood the need to mess with this show's core identity, especially when it was #1 in the ratings and did so well in the demos. It's like they saw Y&R had a unique identity and they did everything they could to make it be like other soaps that were LOWER rated.

No problem. I'm really going to try to stop going o/t in the episode thread. It's so hard though because sometimes the larger issues just flow organically from what is happening in the eppy.

It's like they saw Y&R had a unique identity and they did everything they could to make it be like other soaps that were LOWER rated.

I think they are just afraid that they couldn't bring in the young demo with the trademark Bell pacing. I miss those days so much. If I had to name one single issue with Y&R, it's the pacing.

It highlights what Sylph and I have been saying all along, Y&R is no different from any other soap out there. Regardless of what people like Nelson or some highly optimistic fans say. Y&R is just as guilty of the wrong-doings of the other soaps, but somehow, it seems it tends to get less of the backlash. It may not be as bad when compared to some other shows, but there's a lot of really bad and illogical storytelling on this show.

Excuse moi, Mr., but why don't I get some much deserved praise for bitching about Y&R as well?

I think they are just afraid that they couldn't bring in the young demo with the trademark Bell pacing. I miss those days so much. If I had to name one single issue with Y&R, it's the pacing.

God I miss the slow pace. One the best things about the soap. But, in order to have a slow pace, you also need to have great stories.

Excuse moi, Mr., but why don't I get some much deserved praise for bitching about Y&R as well?

Maybe you're a little too low key with the bitching.

God I miss the slow pace. One the best things about the soap. But, in order to have a slow pace, you also need to have great stories.

And we sure as hell aren't getting either from Maria Arena Bell, Hogan Sheffer, and Scott Hamner...

Maybe you're a little too low key with the bitching.

I figured the time of bitching would > loudness of bitching!

Especially the pace, I've been bitching about that as far back as November LMAO!

And we sure as hell aren't getting either from Maria Arena Bell, Hogan Sheffer, and Scott Hamner...

You can say that again! At this point, I think I would love a new writer (if none of the remaining greats are attainable). Someone who loves soaps, and who has a gift for writing. Inexperience can be hurtful, but a good writer/manager of a writing team can surround themselves with people who know the genre, and who can assist in the technicalities of daytime writing. Even a fan of the show would do, even though that's not a necessary requirement. Just a fresh writer, with lots of exciting ideas about stories, with love and respect of the genre.

What? Someone's complaining about marquise Marie Arène De Belles? No...

the biggest thing wrong with Y&R is they are ripping away at what made Y&R the number one soap for so many years. The approach may be different than when LML did it, but its still being done. Gone are smart characters, strong families, love romance and passion, and interaction among the canvas. People are isolated, acting stupid, and there is NO romance love or passion. Not to mention business! Where the hell is that? Jabot, Chancellor, Newman, and the long forgotten Fenmore's, among others, are an after thought now. The company story lines are what i always think about when i think about Y&R. the drama of a couple whom one half works at one company and the other half works at another. The takeovers, etc...

with LML she came in to change Y&R. She met to strip it of what it was, she tried to change it. With the current PTB i dont think that is the mission at all, i think they have a plan and know what they are doing and where they are going. I just dont feel the plan is a good one or right for Y&R. I feel that in trying to undo the mistakes made in the past decade they have made a bigger mess. A bigger reton to undo a retcon is NEVER a good idea. They also have brought in all the worst plot points and used them.

Characters suck, Couples suck, Triangles & Quads suck, story lines suck. The actors are great, but i honestly see some of them starting to phone it in.

Now that ive put all that negativity out there i feel the need to prise something... I think Eileen Davidson is fantastic and its great to see this woman get to do her thing. She honestly does the best she can at all times. She take [!@#$%^&*] and runs with it like its gold. She did it on DAYS, she did it on B&B, and now shes doing it on Y&R.

You can say that again! At this point, I think I would love a new writer (if none of the remaining greats are attainable). Someone who loves soaps, and who has a gift for writing. Inexperience can be hurtful, but a good writer/manager of a writing team can surround themselves with people who know the genre, and who can assist in the technicalities of daytime writing. Even a fan of the show would do, even though that's not a necessary requirement. Just a fresh writer, with lots of exciting ideas about stories, with love and respect of the genre.

They would have to look very hard, and I would hope they would have the patience in the process to do so. I think they also need to seperate the EP and HW positions and give them to two different people. I think one person having that much power that ISN'T William J. Bell is a bad thing.

I think they need a strong visionary EP that can come in there, bring the best out of their HW, fight the network for the storylines they want to tell, and take some damn creative risks. Something like what Linda Gottlieb did at OLTL, hell she would be great at this show, even her production values at OLTL were Y&R-esque in the early 90's. Someone like her would also give this show the retooling it so desperately needs. Pairing someone like that would a strong HW would be so ideal for this show.

Edited June 30, 200916 yr by Y&RWorldTurner

What? Someone's complaining about marquise Marie Arène De Belles? No...