32 minutes ago, j swift said:

It does make you wonder if any of TPTB ever thought of bringing Gerald or Pammy Davis back to Bay City.  It would have been a good plot twist to have Gerald be Justine’s father and have him plotting with Justine against Rachel.  At least it would have explained the resemblance between Rachel and Justine.

There was a report in the soap press back around 1984-85, that AW was planning to bring Pam Davis to the canvas.  Supposedly casting process had already begun.  But the plans were obviously changed, and it never happened.

The mind reels over whether the 1984-1985 plans for Pam Davis were grafted on to another character (like Donna), or just scraped.

Because imagine if Pam was re-introduced as the ex-wife of Carl Hutchins? (mind blown).

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34 minutes ago, j swift said:

The mind reels over whether the 1984-1985 plans for Pam Davis were grafted on to another character (like Donna), or just scraped.

Because imagine if Pam was re-introduced as the ex-wife of Carl Hutchins? (mind blown).

Fantasy casting: Sharon Gabet as Pamela Davis, rather than as Brittany Peterson (or whoever she was).  Pam comes to Bay City, a difficult woman who considers herself a failure -- resentful of her wealthy older sister who never offered help.  To make matters worse, Rachel doesn't even recognize Pam at their first meeting.  Relationship off to a great start!!

20 minutes ago, Mona Kane Croft said:

Fantasy casting: Sharon Gabet as Pamela Davis, rather than as Brittany Peterson (or whoever she was).  Pam comes to Bay City, a difficult woman who considers herself a failure -- resentful of her wealthy older sister who never offered help.  To make matters worse, Rachel doesn't even recognize Pam at their first meeting.  Relationship off to a great start!!

Yes, she was Brittany on AW and she was pregnant. 

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18 minutes ago, Mona Kane Croft said:

To make matters worse, Rachel doesn't even recognize Pam at their first meeting.  Relationship off to a great start!!

Great pitch!!

3 hours ago, AbcNbc247 said:

Actually, it is kinda strange how Gerald was just left in prison lol 

Yep, Gerald and Iris just rotting away in prison. 

Meanwhile, Carl Hutchins regularly escaped justice

Somewhere, there's a lost story of Rachel using her wealth to influence the Bay City judicial appointments in order to suit her demands (te he).

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Sharon Gabet should have been Pammy for sure.

Rachel having both half sisters in Bay City...close to one and rivals with the other.  Pammy would be more like Rachel of old.

2 hours ago, Mona Kane Croft said:

There was a report in the soap press back around 1984-85, that AW was planning to bring Pam Davis to the canvas.  Supposedly casting process had already begun.  But the plans were obviously changed, and it never happened.

Interesting. 

There was so much turnaround in 1985. I'd love to know what the original plans were.

50 minutes ago, j swift said:

Somewhere, there's a lost story of Rachel using her wealth to influence the Bay City judicial appointments in order to suit her demands (te he).

Hahaha

I remember Vicky was afraid of that happening when she fought for custody of Steven.

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5 hours ago, Donna L. Bridges said:

Here's 2 pictures of Rachel's other half-sister, Pammy. 

 

Interesting.  I wonder if Pamela Toll was still acting throughout the duration of Another World.   She could have resumed in the role.   

Speaking of Pam made my mind wander to Ada's step-children. 

I don't know if others agree with this interpretation, but it is interesting that Rachel was so possessive of the men in her life, but equally willing to share Ada.  For example, I don't recall any jealousy by Rachel of Ada's relationship with Clarice or Nancy.  But, she'd rip the eyes out of any women who looked twice at Mac, Steve, or Mitch.  I would've assumed that having lived so long as just the two of them, Rachel would have been resentful of others who preoccupied Ada's attention.

I guess she had a more mature relationship with her mother than Iris did with her father. 

Also, in going back to read older posts on this thread about the affectation that VW acquired over time playing Rachel, it struck me that Ada would've never tolerated that tone.  I recall Loretta assumed that role for a time, but Rachel needed someone to bring her back to earth sporadically.

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20 minutes ago, Mona Kane Croft said:

Interesting.  I wonder if Pamela Toll was still acting throughout the duration of Another World.   She could have resumed in the role.   

IDK anything about her career but in theory I could absolutely have seen her & her father being back on the Bay City scene with just a casting/writing tweak. As it was, later I was not very pleased at not having Nancy around. It would have been nice for Ada to have more people to interact with. I missed Sam & Lahoma, too. 

21 minutes ago, j swift said:

Speaking of Pam made my mind wander to Ada's step-children. 

I don't know if others agree with this interpretation, but it is interesting that Rachel was so possessive of the men in her life, but equally willing to share Ada.  For example, I don't recall any jealousy by Rachel of Ada's relationship with Clarice or Nancy.  But, she'd rip the eyes out of any women who looked twice at Mac, Steve, or Mitch.  I would've assumed that having lived so long as just the two of them, Rachel would have been resentful of others who preoccupied Ada's attention.

I guess she had a more mature relationship with her mother than Iris did with her father. 

Also, in going back to read older posts on this thread about the affectation that VW acquired over time playing Rachel, it struck me that Ada would've never tolerated that tone.  I recall Loretta assumed that role for a time, but Rachel needed someone to bring her back to earth sporadically.

 That's why I bought Rachel's relationship with Carl because 1993 was a year of incredible change/loss for Rachel.  She lost Ada, almost lost Cory Publishing, and then was basically pushed out by Amanda.. so she went to NYC to recharge and had Loretta as a surrogate mom.  Loretta didn't have the history with Rachel that Ada did so even if Loretta had reminded her that Carl was bad news.. Rachel wouldn't have listened.

Also, the only reason I could think of that Rachel was cool with Ada's close relationships with Nancy/Clarice, plus was accepting of her mom's marriages was because Rachel wasn't abandoned by Ada.  She was abandoned by her father so her outlook was different.  In a weird way, Rachel and Iris were more alike then either would admit... both had daddy issues, both had abandonment issues, and both didn't always parent their children effectively.

 

7 minutes ago, Soaplovers said:

 That's why I bought Rachel's relationship with Carl because 1993 was a year of incredible change/loss for Rachel.  She lost Ada, almost lost Cory Publishing, and then was basically pushed out by Amanda.. so she went to NYC to recharge and had Loretta as a surrogate mom.  Loretta didn't have the history with Rachel that Ada did so even if Loretta had reminded her that Carl was bad news.. Rachel wouldn't have listened.

Also, the only reason I could think of that Rachel was cool with Ada's close relationships with Nancy/Clarice, plus was accepting of her mom's marriages was because Rachel wasn't abandoned by Ada.  She was abandoned by her father so her outlook was different.  In a weird way, Rachel and Iris were more alike then either would admit... both had daddy issues, both had abandonment issues, and both didn't always parent their children effectively.

 

I bought Carl & Rachel, what I refer to as "The Redemption of Carl & the Romance of Rachel" because the writers crafted such a careful, slow story that hit every single beat & took their time. By the time they were walking the Poet's Residences in Chelsea I was on the edge of my seat, wondering if they were really going to make this work. 

 

14 minutes ago, Soaplovers said:

 That's why I bought Rachel's relationship with Carl because 1993 was a year of incredible change/loss for Rachel.  She lost Ada, almost lost Cory Publishing, and then was basically pushed out by Amanda.. so she went to NYC to recharge and had Loretta as a surrogate mom.  Loretta didn't have the history with Rachel that Ada did so even if Loretta had reminded her that Carl was bad news.. Rachel wouldn't have listened.

Also, the only reason I could think of that Rachel was cool with Ada's close relationships with Nancy/Clarice, plus was accepting of her mom's marriages was because Rachel wasn't abandoned by Ada.  She was abandoned by her father so her outlook was different.  In a weird way, Rachel and Iris were more alike then either would admit... both had daddy issues, both had abandonment issues, and both didn't always parent their children effectively.

 

Damn.  Are you Harding Lemay returned from the dead?  You have a great understanding of psychological drama!  Please write me a soap . . .

@Soaplovers Ironically, I was going to quibble with your characterization of questionable parenting choices for Iris and Rachel.  Then I made a list including: teen pregnancy, being overbearing regarding their children's romances, being absent during illness, or absences due to prison, and I've come to agree with you.

Dennis, Matthew, Amanda, and Jamey adored their mothers.  But, Iris and Rachel were not great role models when it came to caregiving.  However, unlike Donna, at least they never slept with their children's romantic partners.  So, there's that...