Members classicmoment Posted May 7, 2009 Members Share Posted May 7, 2009 Subtheme for this story is going to be Nick's loss he's going to lose all of it. So I'm not sure how he will lose Summer it might be too much of a risk to kill her off, veryveryvery dark and after Cassie they might not get forgiven for that one Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members rhythmchyc Posted May 7, 2009 Members Share Posted May 7, 2009 :lol: :lol: I do agree, he seems to have bounced back. But the dude has a statue of his dead wife and unborn baby on his grounds, her picture hanging on the wall in his living room, drops his champagne glasses, and goes on a mini-rampage accusing Nikki of gaslighting Ashley?!? This is like when Nick "got over" Cassie's death, had a ravenous affair with Phyllis, refused to give up the evidence to clear Daniel, then ran after him across the friggin' country. Adam knows Victor's not completely healed. This is specifically why he's using Sabrina to taunt and haunt Victor but using Ashley as the cover up to remove himself from the list of schemers. And either Estella's in this or she's collateral damage too, which would really make Adam a jerk. But great TV LOL. The pacing is all wrong and Victor should've stayed in the dark place a bit longer, perhaps. However, I remember watching his downward spiral and wondering when the hell he'd get out of his funk. Watching depressed people is really boring. I'm glad he wasn't morose for any longer than he was. I remember a few months ago when Ashley and Nikki bumped into each other at the Athletic Club, when Nikki warned Ashley that she was the rebound woman. Nikki was totally right. Victor ain't gonna get over Sabrina any time soon. And, of course, when he does, he'll go right back to Nikki. :lol: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members rhythmchyc Posted May 7, 2009 Members Share Posted May 7, 2009 This ain't GH. Damn. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Cashton Posted May 7, 2009 Members Share Posted May 7, 2009 Don't go here if you don't want major spoilers - but damn they're good!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members DRW50 Posted May 7, 2009 Members Share Posted May 7, 2009 I don't want to see a morose Victor, but I'd like to have seen more of his vulnerability, more of what he has to lose. There's so much emphasis on how strong Victor in comparison to the meaningless, feeble people around him. I think they missed a lot of beats by presenting Adam as so pathetic (which means there's no doubt as to who will win this struggle in the end) and by cutting down Nikki's screentime once she moved on with her life. We could be seeing her happy with Paul, truly in a good place, upping the stakes if Victor ever did want her back. Instead, we barely see Nikki, and when we do, we're frequently reminded that she can only ever want Victor. I think there's a strong reluctance from Y&R to invest in any point of view which does not go along with Victor being the end all and be all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members brimike Posted May 7, 2009 Members Share Posted May 7, 2009 All good points, but I think the person you need to take this up with is Eric Braeden. He's notorious for refusing to play a lot of this stuff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members YRBB Posted May 7, 2009 Author Members Share Posted May 7, 2009 Yeah, the moronic mofo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members DRW50 Posted May 7, 2009 Members Share Posted May 7, 2009 I've heard this and I do give him some of the blame (or some might say credit, if they're enjoying the story - I know most fans probably are, as it has some good moments), but I've never seen Victor's story as this lopsided until now. The changes in Nikki are especially jarring. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Cashton Posted May 7, 2009 Members Share Posted May 7, 2009 MAB has teased that MTS, ED, PB and EB are going to be involved in a huge s/l. They've been laying the groundwork and i have a sneaking suspicion where it's going. I think you'll get what you're lookin for from Nikki. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members DRW50 Posted May 7, 2009 Members Share Posted May 7, 2009 I do tend to view the stories through Nikki's eyes, which means I'm more likely to bellyache if she's not around. If there's good stuff coming up for her then you're right, the groundwork will be worth it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members rhythmchyc Posted May 7, 2009 Members Share Posted May 7, 2009 Yeah, good points. I like that Adam was pathetic when Victor trounced him. To the unaware observer, again, he's the least likely opponent, as he told Victoria on Wednesday. But as the schemer, we see that he's finally grown into the man that Victor demanded of him. What a revelation if this were to be the case. Those scenes when Victor basically spat in Adam's face for being a punk will have been very effective in the end. And when I watch television, the end result is never important. But that's just me. It's like Buffy The Vampire Slayer. Every season, no matter the foe, you know she'd be victorious. But how she got there would be were all the magic lie. IMO, happy people are also boring to watch on soaps. Witness: Lily and Cane. So, the less of Nikki and Paul, the better to me. The fact that there are sparks Nikki sill holds for Victor is interesting to watch. How she acts on these emotions is a different story, even though it's not hard to guess And I'm an EB and Victor fan so I like it when Victor wins. <shrugs> Even if he didn't, though, I think he should in this case. IMO, he has every right to be an a** to all these people, except for Ashley. Everyone's betrayed him. I'd like to see him hate Nikki for years to come LOL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members MTSRocks Posted May 7, 2009 Members Share Posted May 7, 2009 It was weird of Ashley mentioning Abby since Abby was literally a little girl when she got burned by the face cream. Other than that, bravo to JC and ED today! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Cheap21 Posted May 7, 2009 Members Share Posted May 7, 2009 God I hate Gloria and I hate Judith Chapman's overacting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Ann_SS Posted May 8, 2009 Members Share Posted May 8, 2009 I cheered Ashley as she laid into Gloria. Gloria's bug eyes when she realized that Ashley was pregnant was hilarious. Jack is such a sap. I can't help loving him. MJ is sooo going to do something to Sharon and her baby. When did Summer become a giant? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members AllAboutAngst Posted May 8, 2009 Members Share Posted May 8, 2009 That little girl Summer cracks me up because I don't think she has ever cracked a smile or shown an ounce of enthusiasm onscreen. When Nick said "Summer was really pumped about seeing her teacher", I was like really? That's pumped? That little girl looks like this bored as hell in every scene lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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