We know. But some people might

now know about Phillip IV's return.

The other thing is pure speculation.

Exactly LOL.

I'm not mad MoTheGreat. It's OK. As long as it's blocked so no one else sees it.

You think Sony/Bell monitors this thread/site? I don't believe it...it would seem like a waste of time...but I'm also dying to know what Cashton heard.

My God, if Bell-Phillip ever emailed me ... even just to say "thank you for being a fan" .. well, why would I need to go on living? .

Problem solved. I just emailed Y&R a link to this thread. I asked them to pay particular attention to what we were saying about Adam. LOL. Gotta pimp my agenda!

Problem solved. I just emailed Y&R a link to this thread. I asked them to pay particular attention to what we were saying about Adam. LOL. Gotta pimp my agenda!

I think they've decided Adam's fate already.

Apparently something's gonna happen on Friday. I don't know what, because I didn't read the spoilers, but it's supposed to be really bad.

Well I can't exactly describe it since you don't know what it is... it's character development-important, not exiting material.

^^ Oh. Ok. Good! *phew*

Sure everything's not perfect but I think that complaining about [MAB] is not a good thing for daytime now.

Neither is settling for mediocrity just because it's "better than Latham", or better than everything else currently on daytime.

We should embrace the good points of her writing.

And many of us do! But should we ever let a HW's strong points shield us from her weak ones?

We know it isn't the early '90's anymore, but even that shouldn't stop us from demanding better if we feel these shows can or should give us better. If you ask me, settling, and not complaining, is not an option.

I would absolutely LOVE to just see three months of Pat/Natalie. To test the waters. I think that's a brilliant idea!

I would be happy with anyone who could truly put the "Restless" back in "The Young and the...". Even if it meant someone had to eat crow and ask back Trent Jones.

If the Y&R threads get this big, why don't you guys do a daily thread? Too much to catch up on when a thread is this big

Because we like our weekly thread. I hate daily threads. Because many people dont watch every day the day ir airs, some watch mondsy episode on tues and then tuesdays episode, etc. We would have to go searching for threads. Plus, the same amount would be posted just in 5 threads instead of one.

Neither is settling for mediocrity just because it's "better than Latham", or better than everything else currently on daytime.

We know it isn't the early '90's anymore, but even that shouldn't stop us from demanding better if we feel these shows can or should give us better. If you ask me, settling, and not complaining, is not an option.

But by that standard then we should always complain. Because lets face it - soaps will NEVER be as good as they were in, say the 70's. And anything less than the best ever is just settling.

Also, a lot of people are not settling, a lot of fans are actually very happy with the show. All of it? No. But who has ever really been 100% happy with EVERYTHING on a soap? I also dont see anyone holding MAB next to a halo and declaring her the next Nixon, much like what happened with RC and OLTL months ago. People seem aware of the flaws and her weakness, but are embracing the good.

Anyone who thinks we'll ever get a better HW than Maria is dreaming.

Those who dream by night in the dusty recesses of their minds wake in the day to find that it was vanity: but the dreamers of the day are dangerous men, for they may act their dreams with open eyes, to make it possible.

(Like I said, MarkH, you're not the only one with an expensive college education. )

I think MAB is getting bored of her own stories, and is trying to speed up the process by starting new ones without any build-up. Hence, Billy's frustration with Jabot.

If Y&R was to get a new head writer I wouldn't want a recycled Patrick M. I think Y&R should venture out, once again, but this time not be so antsy to promote.

No, never again. I've been cured by the LML debacle.

MAB should remain HW till she dies, or until the show dies, whichever comes first . If we need innovation and freshness, we do that at the Co-HW/AHW level! But a Bell shall lead. A Bell shall rule. This show needs that, and I'm down with that.

EVEN IF THAT BELL IS A SH*TTY STORYTELLER (which MAB is not), a Bell should lead and rule. No exceptions. And no Bell-proxies, like Alden/Smith either. The last name must be Bell.

Well I can't exactly describe it since you don't know what it is... it's character development-important, not exiting material.

I don't see how we'll get past that Friday scene, quite frankly. It is "shock" TV...and I don't see how the character can come back from that. But I'll give him/her EVERY benefit of the doubt.

I don't see how we'll get past that Friday scene, quite frankly. It is "shock" TV...and I don't see how the character can come back from that. But I'll give him/her EVERY benefit of the doubt.

After everything the Baldwins did, Adam is left in question? Really?

No, never again. I've been cured by the LML debacle.

MAB should remain HW till she dies, or until the show dies, whichever comes first . If we need innovation and freshness, we do that at the Co-HW/AHW level! But a Bell shall lead. A Bell shall rule. This show needs that, and I'm down with that.

EVEN IF THAT BELL IS A SH*TTY STORYTELLER (which MAB is not), a Bell should lead and rule. No exceptions. And no Bell-proxies, like Alden/Smith either. The last name must be Bell.

Bullshit.

Im sorry, but no writer should remain HW just because they are a bell.

Those who dream by night in the dusty recesses of their minds wake in the day to find that it was vanity: but the dreamers of the day are dangerous men, for they may act their dreams with open eyes, to make it possible.

(Like I said, MarkH, you're not the only one with an expensive college education. )

Actually, my education was CHEAP! All public/state schools, and all funded by scholarships and assistanships. I'm a testament to the North American dream! Working class kid, son of a Chrysler employee. That's why the "pretentiousness" claim (which I accept...I can see how that might have come across) just scandalizes me. Because that is the last thing in the world I ever want to be...

It is also why I miss the "humble roots" characters, and it is part of why I so love the Fishers, Baldwins, and Amber Moores.

That reminds me of "Mort" and "Bob", two junior-level execs at the Sumner Group, on KNOTS LANDING. Mort and Bob always would be there, interacting with several members of the regular cast, providing comic relief and a sort of "voice" for the audience.

Yeah, they should hire somebody who could write stuff like that to write this show.

They did. Her name was Lynn Marie Latham.

No, never again. I've been cured by the LML debacle.

MAB should remain HW till she dies, or until the show dies, whichever comes first . If we need innovation and freshness, we do that at the Co-HW/AHW level! But a Bell shall lead. A Bell shall rule. This show needs that, and I'm down with that.

EVEN IF THAT BELL IS A SH*TTY STORYTELLER (which MAB is not), a Bell should lead and rule. No exceptions. And no Bell-proxies, like Alden/Smith either. The last name must be Bell.

While I think MAB has done a better job than I initially thought she would way back in early 2008, I don't think your rule should be set in stone.

Now, a Bell as an EP? Yes. Absolutely. Bill Bell Jr calling the financial shots? Wouldn't want it any other way.

But a Bell -- any Bell -- as Head Writer? One only has to look at B&B and Brad Bell's sleepy stranglehold on that poor show. Power corrupts, but absolute power corrupts absolutely.

And, no, that quote isn't the result of an expensive college education. That's me having watched a Gene Hackman movie.