Members Sylph Posted March 26, 2009 Members Share Posted March 26, 2009 Could it be... That Guza's contract is about to expire so he's trying to make his presence be felt for as far as he can come up with? No, that's not it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members JackPeyton Posted March 26, 2009 Members Share Posted March 26, 2009 I wish. What GH has become under him is just... almost pathetic, but its too sad. Honestly, even in just the past 5 years it has taken a massive nose dive. The cast really is one of the ebst in daytime, but they are never featured correctly - if at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Sylph Posted March 26, 2009 Members Share Posted March 26, 2009 I feel enormous frustration just thinking about the whole Guza situation. I mean — this guy at times showed he can write well. He also knows how to pick his collaborators, subwriters. But is he blind or something? Can't he just see that the mob infestation is doing no good to this show? What's up with that infatuation of his? Isn't there something else he'd like to write about? Anything? Just that it's not about the mob! Furthermore, the ratings are abysmal, yet no one is even thinking about firing him... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Ann_SS Posted March 26, 2009 Members Share Posted March 26, 2009 I just ranted about GH on its thread. I simply don't not understand how Guza thinks, then again that interview with Brad Bell shows that he is deluded about the quality of B&B as well. Clearly, these guys think that they are doing a bang up job and that the audience is good, it is only the outsider forces impacting the ratings. I don't think firing Guza is the answer. Finding him a co-headwriter who will reign in his worse impulses would be a smarter way to go. Sri Rao or someone with talent needs to be join him, like Hogan joined MAB which revived Y&R. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members JackPeyton Posted March 26, 2009 Members Share Posted March 26, 2009 My biggest issue isnt even the focus on the mob, i could deal with it. If it was done well - like it used to be. Such a shootouts as Laura puts baby Lulu to sleep unaware of the danger her husband and friends are in. Scenes where Robin tells how Sonny is one of the best men she knows - but also one of the worst. Actions need to have reactions. Crimes need some kind of punishment - and no im not talking putting a 12 yearold in a coma because he shot someone. GH also really has a great hospital staff to refocus the show around if it would open its eyes. Robin, Patrick, Liz, Ep, Lainey, Matt. Bring Monica back to anchor that set and use the people around them. Balance it with corporate storylines for the Q Family, CarJax, and Nikolas. And add in the mob aspect and the copshop and it could be great. Thats the thing, the option are limitless on GH - yet not only is no one grabbing onto it, it seems as if they are blind to it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Ann_SS Posted March 26, 2009 Members Share Posted March 26, 2009 When it comes to GH, I wonder how much of the story is being directed by Frons and by network research. The stories focus on only specific characters which suggests that they are the ones getting the positive feedback. GH has to do better with its storytelling. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members R Sinclair Posted March 26, 2009 Members Share Posted March 26, 2009 I was going to break your post down into segments and address them individually, but I agree with the entire thing so I'll just go for it in one fell swoop! I completely agree that the frustrating aspect of Guza's GH is that, and I do dare to say it, the man isn't a horrible writer. When he invests in, not even a storyline, but just a moment, it shows! To your point, he knows how to pick writers. You and I often scream it from the rooftops about GH's EXCELLENT script writing team. Clearly, he's a writer's writer because that staff shows loyalty to this man like nobody's business. When you look at all the different ins and outs all the other shows have in regard to their writing team, GH's team is pretty much the exact same as it was when Guza came back in 2002 (that reminds me of something, but I'll ask in a separate post). So, to me, it seems as if Guza embraces and appreciates the talent he has surrounded himself with. I said all that to say this... He knows good writing when he sees it. So why doesn't it [!@#$%^&*] show?!?! I am soooo with you on this abnormal fascination with the mob! I don't get why the main agenda for the last seven years has been to make this show General Mafia. It reminds me of 'the writer' taking a show and reformulating it into her own creation, rather than carry on with the elements that a larger portion of the viewing audience enjoyed. It pains me to read comments by Guza made while writing the Scrubs wedding, talking about how weird it was write a wedding where no one got shot. Seriously? Is it weird to write romance on a soap opera without violence slicing it all to ribbons?! I understand Guza uses the excuse that the mob has been a part of GH's history ever since the late 1970s, but the mob was never the MAIN FOCUS! It was an element. It was a backdrop used to tell the stories of a select few characters. Now, it's as if everyone on this show is connected to the mob. As for why he isn't being fired? My opinion is the age old dilemma of "SOS" (Style Over Substance). Let's be honest. Of the three ABCD soaps, GH has slick production values. Slather on enough Carmex, you'll never know this bitch has chapped, crusty lips. Focus groups and tracking reports don't take into account the things fans of, not only the show but the genre consider as good soap opera. It's easy to grab the attention of someone when you have spectacular editing, shiny sets, beautiful people and crisp dialogue. As long as the show looks like it will grab the attention of the younger crowd and the writing focuses on the characters the higher ups believe will bring in the younger crowd, then, unfortunately, that's all that needs to be done. It also helps that Guza wants to focus on these things as well. Hey, to be honest, I believe wholeheartedly that 'the writer' would still be at AMC to this day if she knew how to write flashy, hip stories... instead of drawn out, boring and depressing tales of angst and woe. While we don't agree very often... especially about... ...I do have to agree with that. This show has all the possibilities to make it a multi-arena show, instead of just THE MOB... and everything else that doesn't fit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Sylph Posted March 26, 2009 Members Share Posted March 26, 2009 Yes, yes, yes! YES! Boy, did you say this perfectly or what? It is a bit saddening that this board offers little topics these days for your inquiring mind to talk about. Another thing I like about Guza is that he's a meticulous writer, something that doesn't really show up on GH. Just remember the 400-page bible for Sunset Beach. Now I'm going to go back to your post to re-read it for the 20th time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Ann_SS Posted March 26, 2009 Members Share Posted March 26, 2009 If Guza is a meticulous writer, why are the stories on GH so haphazardly written and played out? Some of the stories take left turns which indicate that they were never planned out in the first place. Characters frequently act in ways that make absolutely no sense. Is Guza overworked or burnt out? I don't get this at all. Also, what does he have against the Qs and tapping into the show's history? So many questions and no answers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Sylph Posted March 26, 2009 Members Share Posted March 26, 2009 Haven't I said it doesn't show up on GH? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Ann_SS Posted March 26, 2009 Members Share Posted March 26, 2009 But why? No one knows, I guess. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Y&RWorldTurner Posted March 26, 2009 Members Share Posted March 26, 2009 But where else has it shown up? Certainly didn't show up on Sunset Beach, a show that was plagued with so many problems from its inception. Guza always seems to start off very good, and then he falters, not unlike McTavish actually. This was so evident during his second stint at GH. 1998 was an amazing year for GH, but by mid 1999, the show was a wreck and that continued until he left in late 2000, only the show was just as bad without him. Then he and Pratt started off good in 2002, but things faltered fast. His first stint was too short to judge him fairly, and even then, Labine left behind so much to be exploited. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Sylph Posted March 26, 2009 Members Share Posted March 26, 2009 Things I read he wrote. I didn't say anything about the stuff that hit the screen, I was just talking about words on the page. That later got transformed one way or the other. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Y&RWorldTurner Posted March 26, 2009 Members Share Posted March 26, 2009 I guess it's open to interpretation. But we all know what's down on paper can sound very good, but look horribly when translated on screen, and vice versa. If I remember correctly, GH was the second soap to run out of scrip during the strike, fairly fast mind you, which should tell you how much actual planning Guza did back then. I think he's slaked off in a major way in recent years. If anyone's severely burnt out in daytime, surely it's Robert Guza, Jr. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Sylph Posted March 26, 2009 Members Share Posted March 26, 2009 That. Or bloody bored. Or never been interested in GH in the first place, just took the offer for the money. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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