There's two different kinds of "support." I am interested in the storyline though I think it's very dangerous; I watch it and the show, and enjoy quite a bit of it, therefore I "support it." If they steer me wrong, I won't watch it. So far I see it as a psychological thriller, and I think it's been made clear onscreen just how much Todd is manipulating and controlling this twisted situation, and how nutty he is. If they turn it into a bonafide romance I'll be upset. That to me would be disgusting.

Then you have the idiots on other boards who are so locked into their own private fanbase flamewars that they will support "Tarty" as a real romance, which I don't think will ever happen, because "it's better than Blair" and "she doesn't remember so it's okay; TSJ didn't do the Spring Fling scenes so it's okay." Both reasons are complete horseshit, but that's how some people are.

Two very different things. Anyone who feels the need to conflate them into one is trying to sell something.

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Oh please. Every soap's ratings are bad.

True, but from what we've been told a soap needs "new" blood in order for them to gain viewers. Ron is "new" blood, though he's been on the OLTL writing team since 1996 (I think), and his ratings are just as bad, if not worse, than the rest.

There's two different kinds of "support." I am interested in the storyline though I think it's very dangerous; I watch it and the show, and enjoy quite a bit of it, therefore I "support it." If they steer me wrong, I won't watch it. So far I see it as a psychological thriller, and I think it's been made clear onscreen just how much Todd is manipulating and controlling this twisted situation, and how nutty he is. If they turn it into a bonafide romance I'll be upset. That to me would be disgusting.

I just don't know how Todd can be redeemed after all this. Then again, I'm not sure how they redeemed him after they had him do the original act and become a viable character on the show in the first place, but I jest.

True, but from what we've been told a soap needs "new" blood in order for them to gain viewers. Ron is "new" blood, though he's been on the OLTL writing team since 1996 (I think), and his ratings are just as bad, if not worse, than the rest.

I think the Emmy and perhaps the 12-17 demo bought him a lot of time. Had he not gotten some industry accolades and some younger demos, Carlivati would've gone the way of B&E. I still think he has some time, but Frons isn't going to be happy with the 1.9's for too long. Carlivati is not Guza, meaning he has no real reputation with Frons or a friendship.

No one in this thread seems to be supporting it, but there are people on other boards that do. As someone said, there are now "Tarty" fans. Whatever the hell a "Tarty" is, lol.

Which I find utterly disturbing on so many levels. Is Carlavati really trying to cater to THOSE fans? That's also disturbing.....

Oh please. Every soap's ratings are bad.

True to an extent, but OLTL keeps dropping, clearly RC hasn't worked magic with this show........

I just don't know how Todd can be redeemed after all this. Then again, I'm not sure how they redeemed him after they had him do the original act and become a viable character on the show in the first place, but I jest.

Yeah I don't see where he goes from here. I do love seeing people on various boards turning on him, especially people who once loved Todd

True to an extent, but OLTL keeps dropping, clearly RC hasn't worked magic with this show........

Ratings magic, no. Story magic, yes. But that's subjective - so opinions will differ.

Ratings magic, no. Story magic, yes. But that's subjective - so opinions will differ.

Exactly.

And what writer can say they have ratings magic? Nobody. The magic is gone and daytime ratings as a whole will never go up again.

Exactly.

The magic is gone and daytime ratings as a whole will never go up again.

Not unless you are Y&R and B&B's ratings, which are similar to the ratings they had at certain points just four years ago. They are holding steady and somewhat growing. Though their average four years ago was higher, at some points their ratings were lower than what they are getting today.

^ Toups I don't agree, and IMO that's one of the biggest problems with daytime, the "oh ratings suck and soaps ratings will forever suck, so it doesn't really matter" if TIIC have that kind of attitude I seriously fear for the future of ABC Soaps.......

Ratings magic, no. Story magic, yes. But that's subjective - so opinions will differ.

Story magic? Maybe at first, but RC is on the verge of hackiness.......

I just don't know how Todd can be redeemed after all this. Then again, I'm not sure how they redeemed him after they had him do the original act and become a viable character on the show in the first place, but I jest.

I think it will be very difficult to continue with Todd. I have no idea what they intend to do, but I'm willing to find out.

Not unless you are Y&R and B&B's ratings, which are similar to the ratings they had at certain points just four years ago. They are holding steady and somewhat growing. Though their average four years ago was higher, at some points their ratings were lower than what they are getting today.

I told you this already. You can't pick out any week of the year and compare them to now. You gotta look at it as a whole, as an average - every soap is dropping.

I told you this already. You can't pick out any week of the year and compare them to now. You gotta look at it as a whole, as an average - every soap is dropping.

And I TOLD you, lol, that yes their average for the season may be down compared to their season average four years ago, but considering that they were able to hit those low points four years ago and today build, ever so slightly, on those numbers is fantastic. The death of daytime isn't happening like people think for Y&R/B&B, at least at the rate it is happening for the bottom 6 soaps

^ Toups I don't agree, and IMO that's one of the biggest problems with daytime, the "oh ratings suck and soaps ratings will forever suck, so it doesn't really matter" if TIIC have that kind of attitude I seriously fear for the future of ABC Soaps.......

You don't agree that daytime ratings will never go up again?

I think the desireability of redeeming Todd is overrated. He's a much better and more interesting character as a borderline sociopath. The fans who want to see Todd redeemed are those who want him to be a romantic hero, and I hope that never happens and frankly, it wasn't the rape that drew me to that conclusion but the day he handed Blair a box of dirt and told her it was the cremated body of her son. He drives much more interesting stories as the disturbed twisted individual who shows brief flashes of humanity, and who people love and try to redeem, but never quite succeed.

Sylph's response to me was 100% on target. I had wrapped myself quite warmly in the illusion that Carlivati would not go "there" and he obviously is. Bang! My illusions exploded (or imploded?). I consider that a good thing, because that's a reaction I like to get from a soap. I want something unexpected. Honestly, I am more interested in this story from a strategic perspective than from a story perspective. The strategy fascinates me and I think it's incredibly ballsy. The question remains will the return justify the risk.

I honestly never thought they'd go there with these two and I'm actually shocked and as much as I like Todd when he's a villian, badass however you want to classify him, I will never, ever see Todd Manning as a romantic hero.