I agree. I'd say that a teen pregnancy story would work better on them than on Cole and Starr, but Langston and Markko aren't dumb enough to put themselves into that predicament anyway.

Given that I like Cole a lot more when he's not around Starr (back when he and Langston were planning Starr's party; any scenes with Nora or John; hell, the scene where he turned down playing basketball with his friends), I'd say that Starr plays a big part in making him dull. All IMO, of course.

My feelings about Starr are largely mixed, but I reeeally reaaaaaaally don't like the character much at all. She's very whiny and self-centered, I think, and has to have things her way. She'd love to give the baby to Marcie because then she and Cole could pretend like the whole thing never happened and she can go back to being the girl who has everything: a big house, a whipped boyfriend, a nice car, and a best friend who does way too much for her. BUT, if she gives the baby to Marcie and Cole really gets upset about it, she risks losing her hot, cool football boyfriend, thus being single and probably losing her cool club membership.

She's just all types of shallow, dense, superficial, spoiled, and ME!ME!ME! and it makes her a very, very unattractive character. Let me know when you have real problems, bitch.*

*Okay yes, your father pushing you down steps is a real problem. And yes, being pregnant is a real problem. But you're still being all sorts of spoiled and bratty, so while your storylines may be of a more mature variety, you, Starr, are not.

You have a right to your own opinion and I respect that but I fundamentally disagree with everything you just said. The first thing I take issue with is the fact that you said that Starr is just a spoiled rich girl who has never had to deal with real problems. You call having Todd and Blair as parents not having problems? i sympathize with Cole and what he's going throught thinking that his mother is dead, but how many times has Starr been in the same situation? Todd left her multiple times either because he was in jail or he was off another one of his missions. I originally started watching this show back in 2004 and since that time she had to deal with Margaret kidnapping Todd and being told he was dead, only for when he did show up to be told that her mother was dead too. When she finally did get them both back Todd went to jail for murdering Margaret and she had to stand by outside the jail as he was being executed while people cheered. You pointed out that she is spoiled but she is because of her parents. They gave her money and gifts whenever they screwed up as a way to ease their consciences, it's all she knows and it's not like she's the only rich person in the town. If I'm not mistaken wasn't Marty an heiress(I think she used to live in La Boulaie)? Cole's not exactly bad off for money either. I may not always agree with what she does but to say that she only thinks about herself is ridiculous. She almost had an abortion for Cole, and then didn't because of him, and then ran off and left her family who was just starting to pick up the pieces for him. If she really didn't care how he felt then she wouldn't be so conflicted and trying to buy into his fantasy.

As Julia pointed out Cole was kicked off of the football team after the incident with steroids, he joined the baseball team at the end of last year with the help of Marcie. He is the opposite of a football star. After the steroids the whole school turned on him because they blamed him for the fact that the team lost, the only person who didn't was Starr.

I think the writers have been very clear in making Starr's motivations selfless.

First, her whole reveal to Langston about wanting to give the baby up for adoption was because she didn't think that she and Cole were ready to be parents and that she felt they wouldn't prioritize the baby the way the baby deserved to be prioritized. She also didn't want to make Cole feel trapped, or as if she and the baby were robbing him of his youth and all the things he should be able to do and experience at his age.

Then when it comes to Marcie, Starr feels sympathy for Marcie because Starr knows Marcie could be a good mother and is in a place in her life where she can give a child the kind of family it deserves, and Starr feels guilt because of her father Todd's part in why Marcie no longer has a child to raise.

From my perspective I don't see ANY of those motivations as selfish. Starr did admit that she wanted to go on the roller coaster, but all her reasons for wanting to give up her child were for the child's well-being first, and Starr/Cole's lives second.

If I'm not mistaken wasn't Marty an heiress(I think she used to live in La Boulaie)? Cole's not exactly bad off for money either.

Yes, La Boulaie used to be the Saybrooke mansion. I believe Dorian bought it out from under Marty in order to compete with Viki's Llanfair.

And thinking back to orphaned Marty living in that big mansion by herself, it reminds me of orphaned Langston living in the big house by herself. Interesting, that hadn't occurred to me until now.

You all have awesome points. I think I just have this really out-of-nowhere irrational dislike for the character lol and I'll find anyway to twist anything she does to make it work against her.

Todd left her multiple times either because he was in jail or he was off another one of his missions. I originally started watching this show back in 2004 and since that time she had to deal with Margaret kidnapping Todd and being told he was dead, only for when he did show up to be told that her mother was dead too. When she finally did get them both back Todd went to jail for murdering Margaret and she had to stand by outside the jail as he was being executed while people cheered. You pointed out that she is spoiled but she is because of her parents. They gave her money and gifts whenever they screwed up as a way to ease their consciences, it's all she knows and it's not like she's the only rich person in the town.

Right. You're exactly right. But my point is this: despite years and years of being jerked around by her parents, I don't think I've seen any kind of maturity in Starr. I'll admit that this current storyline is making her see things a bit differently, but I still feel as though she's far from being the type of mature young woman that she should be, given her past with her parents.

PS: Thanks for respecting my opinion. I respect yours too and I'm glad we can disagree about this and not be snippy little bitches or anything with each other

You all have awesome points. I think I just have this really out-of-nowhere irrational dislike for the character lol and I'll find anyway to twist anything she does to make it work against her.

Wow! I love this! I'm thinking of how many fanbase wars could be stopped just people admitting this type of thing.

Wow! I love this! I'm thinking of how many fanbase wars could be stopped just people admitting this type of thing.

Just don't go near those anonymous boards.

AllMyShadows, I think I can partially agree with you. For some reason Starr seems to be a weaker character as an adolescent than she was as a younger child. And of those traits she's retained, they aren't as "cute" in someone her age, about to be a mother. In between, lies an inconsistency with the character's placement in the story. I see recent efforts to repair it but we're not quite there yet. The story is real enough and her behavior isn't unbelievable for somone her age, but she lacks rootability at times. Some days I like her, others I 'm hoping she'll be the one to get the next big )))))))SLAP!((((((

I'm wondering if maybe this isn't tied to a subject brought up last week: Blair being too easy on her... and Cole.

Edited June 15, 200817 yr by TC

You all have awesome points. I think I just have this really out-of-nowhere irrational dislike for the character lol and I'll find anyway to twist anything she does to make it work against her.

PS: Thanks for respecting my opinion. I respect yours too and I'm glad we can disagree about this and not be snippy little bitches or anything with each other

I am soooooo lost! Which specific character are we talking about?

Alright, ladies and gentlemen, that makes it three.

The first was Tom O'Rourke (ex-Dr. Justin Marler, GL), who first played Victor Lord in the "Llanfair secret room" flashbacks, back in '85, then returned recently as BE board member, Warren Cobb...

ETA: For some reason, I confused "Warren" with "Webster," but I've made the correction.

The second was Burke Moses, who played Alex's henchman, Bulge, back in the day; but who just played another role on the show, as another BE board member, Jenkins...

Now the third? Janet Zarish, who currently plays Marty's personal nurse, Janet; but who first appeared on OL back in '86, as Tom Dennison's ex-wife/Mari Lynn Coleman's mother, Lee Halpern Sanders. (Tom, for those who don't know, was Joe Riley's twin brother.)

Is this a part of the OLTL 40th anniversary that I don't know about? Bringing back former actors in new roles? Not that I shouldn't complain, since I've missed seeing Zarish and O'Rourke on my TV screen...but I am starting to wonder, lol.

Any minute now, Dorian LoPinto (ex-Samantha Vernon) could show up as Jared's mom, Valerie, in a flashback; or Ken Meeker (ex-Rafe Garretson) as Brody's dad; or Stephen Schnetzer (ex-Marcello Salta) as a consulate with the Mendorran government.

Edited June 16, 200817 yr by Khan

Alright, ladies and gentlemen, that makes it three.

The first was Tom O'Rourke (ex-Dr. Justin Marler, GL), who first played Victor Lord in the "Llanfair secret room" flashbacks, back in '85, then returned recently as BE board member, Webster...

The second was Burke Moses, who played Alex's henchman, Bulge, back in the day; but who just played another role on the show, as another BE board member, Jenkins...

Now the third? Janet Zarish, who currently plays Marty's personal nurse, Janet; but who first appeared on OL back in '86, as Tom Dennison's ex-wife/Mari Lynn Coleman's mother, Lee Halpern Sanders. (Tom, for those who don't know, was Joe Riley's twin brother.)

Is this a part of the OLTL 40th anniversary that I don't know about? Bringing back former actors in new roles? Not that I shouldn't complain, since I've missed seeing Zarish and O'Rourke on my TV screen...but I am starting to wonder, lol.

Any minute now, Dorian LoPinto (ex-Samantha Vernon) could show up as Jared's mom, Valerie, in a flashback; or Ken Meeker (ex-Rafe Garretson) as Brody's dad; or Stephen Schnetzer (ex-Marcello Salta) as a consulate with the Mendorran government.

Nurse Janet used to be Lee Halpern?! I saw Lee talking to Cassie in an old clip on one of those classic episode marathons (Cord/Tina's wedding?) but I didn't realize this was her. I really liked what I saw of Lee Halpern! No wonder I like Janet! I guess it adds to the viewers feeling familiar feelings about the show if it's faces we remember but can't quite place.

Alright, ladies and gentlemen, that makes it three.

The first was Tom O'Rourke (ex-Dr. Justin Marler, GL), who first played Victor Lord in the "Llanfair secret room" flashbacks, back in '85, then returned recently as BE board member, Webster...

The second was Burke Moses, who played Alex's henchman, Bulge, back in the day; but who just played another role on the show, as another BE board member, Jenkins...

Now the third? Janet Zarish, who currently plays Marty's personal nurse, Janet; but who first appeared on OL back in '86, as Tom Dennison's ex-wife/Mari Lynn Coleman's mother, Lee Halpern Sanders. (Tom, for those who don't know, was Joe Riley's twin brother.)

Is this a part of the OLTL 40th anniversary that I don't know about? Bringing back former actors in new roles? Not that I shouldn't complain, since I've missed seeing Zarish and O'Rourke on my TV screen...but I am starting to wonder, lol.

Any minute now, Dorian LoPinto (ex-Samantha Vernon) could show up as Jared's mom, Valerie, in a flashback; or Ken Meeker (ex-Rafe Garretson) as Brody's dad; or Stephen Schnetzer (ex-Marcello Salta) as a consulate with the Mendorran government.

*giggling*

Are you the Dorian Lopinto troll at that notoriuos gay site?

The who at the what, lol?

Absolutely not, TC. In fact, I'm almost offended by that question. I'll troll for many things, but never for Dorian LoPinto!

Edited June 16, 200817 yr by Khan

I saw Lee talking to Cassie in an old clip on one of those classic episode marathons (Cord/Tina's wedding?) but I didn't realize this was her.

Maybe it was because her hair was "poofier" back then, lol?

As soon as I saw JZ enter Marty's room and ask Lee (Ramsey) for her tray, I knew it was her. I thought she was pretty when I was seven, and she's still pretty to me today.

Here, though, is a website that features not just her, but all the actors who have played "unintentional dual roles" on OLTL. (I knew I had seen Addie somewhere before, lol.)

http://www.geocities.com/oltlx2/

Edited June 16, 200817 yr by Khan

The who at the what, lol?

Absolutely not, TC. In fact, I'm almost offended by that question. I'll troll for many things, but never for Dorian LoPinto!

Oh please don't be offended. It would be an honourable kind of troll! I almost wish it was me!

It would be an honourable kind of troll!

"An honourable kind of troll"? Now, there's an oxymoron you don't hear everyday, lol.

No offense taken, TC.

Yes, La Boulaie used to be the Saybrooke mansion. I believe Dorian bought it out from under Marty in order to compete with Viki's Llanfair.

And thinking back to orphaned Marty living in that big mansion by herself, it reminds me of orphaned Langston living in the big house by herself. Interesting, that hadn't occurred to me until now.

Wow I didn't remember this at all and I definetly was watching during the gang rape. So that house was hers when she was introduced and she lived on her own and then Dorian boughtit?