Members DaytimeFan Posted April 24, 2008 Members Share Posted April 24, 2008 Anyone using a Nalgene bottle should throw it away and get a stainless steel one. Nalgene bottles contain a chemical known as Bisphenol A which is now thought to lead to cancer, reproductive issues and developmental disorders. Canada has now banned baby bottles containing Bisphenol A and many sporting goods stores have yanked sports bottles made of the same plastic. Additionally, flouridation in drinking water does help prevent cavities, however, there are concerns about how long term exposure to flouride, day in and day out for decades is going to affect everyone down the line. A lot of people are concerned and a lot are not, make of that what you will. I'm unsure as to whether the bottles bottled water comes in contains Bisphenol A...I don't drink bottled water but I also don't have flouridation in my tap water either. I stick with a Brita and hope for the best. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Sundance Posted April 24, 2008 Members Share Posted April 24, 2008 Plastic bottle do not break down into carcinogenic compounds when reused or frozen. See Snopes: http://www.snopes.com/medical/toxins/petbottles.asp Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members sheilaforever Posted April 24, 2008 Members Share Posted April 24, 2008 Good boy. I'm still shocked that someone actually drinks gatorade - I hate it that after a marathon you usually only get this crap as a drink... - but you're forgiven. I only drink bottled water - for the simple rason that the last I checked my tap didn't make it sparkle. I'm rather picky about mineral water and don't look for the price there although I don't buy those Fiji or Japanese bottles which cost 5+$ or so. I really only drink water for about 90% of the year and about 2.5 bottles a day so taste really matters to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Sundance Posted April 28, 2008 Members Share Posted April 28, 2008 GatorAde contain high fructose corn syrup. I am boycotting any food or beverage that contains that. If you read the ingredient lables, you will see it is difficult to avoid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members jcar03 Posted April 28, 2008 Members Share Posted April 28, 2008 I started buying gallon jugs instead of water bottles to mostly save a trip to the recyling place since my apartment complex has no recycling system. The jugs cost 68 cents and I put the water in a reusable water bottle. I don't care what they say about tap water mine I don't find the least bit desirable for regular drinking. If I could put a filter on my apartment sink I would but I can't so I just do with the jugs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Sylph Posted June 15, 2008 Author Members Share Posted June 15, 2008 June 15, 2008Tapped Out By LISA MARGONELLITo paraphrase an old axiom: You don’t buy water, you only rent it. So why did Americans spend nearly $11 billion on bottled water in 2006, when we could have guzzled tap water at up to about one ten-thousandth the cost? The facile answer is marketing, marketing and more marketing, but Elizabeth Royte goes much deeper into the drink in “Bottlemania: How Water Went on Sale and Why We Bought It,” streaming trends cultural, economic, political and hydrological into an engaging investigation of an unexpectedly murky substance. Partway through her undoctrinaire book, Royte, a lifelong fan of tap water, refills her old plastic water bottle, reflecting that “what once seemed so simple and natural, a drink of water, is neither. All my preconceptions about this most basic of beverages have been queered.” And by the end of the book she will have discarded the old plastic bottle too, but not the tap. “Bottlemania” is an easy-to-swallow survey of the subject from verdant springs in the Maine woods to tap water treatment plants in Kansas City; from the grand specter of worldwide water wars, to the microscopic crustaceans called copepods, whose presence in New York’s tap water inspired a debate by Talmudic scholars about whether the critters violated dietary laws, and whether filtering water on the Sabbath constituted work. (Verdict: no and no.) Water is a topic that lends itself to tour-de-force treatment (the book “Cadillac Desert” and the movie “Chinatown” come to mind), as well as righteous indictments and dire predictions (“Thirst: Fighting the Corporate Theft of Our Water,” “When the Rivers Run Dry: Water — The Defining Crisis of the Twenty-First Century”). Where others are bold, “Bottlemania” is subversive, and after you read it you will sip warily from your water bottle (whether purchased or tap, plastic or not), as freaked out by your own role in today’s insidious water wars as by Royte’s recommended ecologically responsible drink: “Toilet to tap.” Eww. Sorry. Let’s talk about those evil marketers. In 1987, Americans drank only 5.7 gallons of bottled water per person per year, but the cumulative impact of ad campaigns and the vision of Madonna fellating a bottle of Evian in “Truth or Dare” more than doubled consumption by 1997. In 2000 the chief executive of Quaker Oats bragged to analysts that “the biggest enemy is tap water.” By 2005, the enemy had become the consumer’s bladder; and in 2006, Pepsi, which owns Aquafina, spent $20 million suggesting that Americans “drink more water.” That year we drank 27.6 gallons each at a rate of about a billion bottles a week.But marketing swings both ways. As quickly as bottled water became a symbol of healthy hyperindividualism — sort of an iPod for your kidneys — a backlash turned it into the devil’s drink. In 2006, the National Coalition of American Nuns came out against bottled water for the moral reason that life’s essential resource should not be privatized. New numbers surfaced: each year the bottles themselves require 17 million barrels of oil to manufacture, and, one expert tells Royte, “the total energy required for every bottle’s production, transport and disposal is equivalent, on average, to filling that bottle a quarter of the way with oil.” Mayors from San Francisco to New York suddenly became aware of the new symbolism of bottled water as a waste of taxpayer money, a diss of local tap water and a threat to the environment. Some canceled their city’s bottled water contracts. Chicago began taxing the stuff. And celebrities — among them Matt Damon and ... Madonna — started backing a dazzling array of water charities in support of domestic tap and African water supplies, associating themselves with the magical ur-brand of “pure water” just as marketers and Madonna did in the early ’90s. Royte asks, perceptively, if the pro-bottle and anti-bottle movements aren’t cut from the same plastic: “Is it fashion or is it a rising awareness of the bottle’s environmental toll that’s driving the backlash? I’m starting to think they’re the same thing.” To Royte, the author of “Garbage Land,” righteousness requires a greater commitment.She finds it in Fryeburg, Me., a town of 3,000 that is trying to stop Nestlé’s Poland Spring from sucking 168 million gallons of water a year out of the pristine aquifer buried under its piney woods. As Royte arrives the town is in an uproar, with neighbor pitted against neighbor and rumors of secret planning-board meetings and of dummy corporations. Fryeburg is a “perfect example of water’s shift from a public good to an economic force,” she observes. The locals are more blunt: “This is what a water war looks like.” Fryeburg bears the burden of living at the other end of the giant green Poland Spring pipe. Residents of nearby Hiram count 92 water tankers rolling through their town in one typical 24-hour period; they feel themselves under siege precisely because their watershed is clean, while 40 percent of the country’s rivers and streams are too polluted for swimming or fishing, let alone drinking. Fryeburg residents try to repel the water company. They demand tests, throw a Boston Tea Party by dumping Poland Spring in a local pond, take the issue to Maine’s Supreme Judicial Court and hold a town meeting straight out of Norman Rockwell. Here I wish Royte had devoted more energy to the narrative. The people of Fryeburg and their complaints feel tentative — a sketch where a portrait could have been. And although her writing always flows, I sometimes wished for something less utilitarian.That comes, unexpectedly, as Royte stands at the edge of the Ashokan Reservoir in upstate New York. “Ignoring the bluish mountains that form its backdrop and the phalanx of security guards in our foreground,” she gazes “down onto the spillway which curves and drops like a wedding cake, in four tiers, before sending its excess through a granite passage,” supplying 1.2 billion gallons a day through 300 miles of tunnels and aqueducts and 6,200 miles of distribution mains. There once was grandeur in public works, and Royte captures the mythic heroism that inspired the politicians and engineers to build great reservoirs more than a century ago. Their outsize civic largesse makes our current culture of single-serving bottles feel decidedly crummy. But returning to public water’s golden age, if it’s possible, will not come cheap. Royte says the country needs to invest $390 billion in our failing water infrastructure by 2020.By the time I finished “Bottlemania” I thought twice about drinking any water. Among the risks: arsenic, gasoline additives, 82 different pharmaceuticals, fertilizer runoff sufficient to raise nitrate levels so that Iowa communities issue “blue baby” alerts. And in 42 states, Royte notes, “people drink tap water that contains at least 10 different pollutants on the same day.” The privatization of pristine water is part of a larger story, a tragic failure to steward our shared destiny. And if you think buying water will protect you, Royte points out that it too is loosely regulated. And there is more — the dangers of pipes and of plastic bottles, the hazards of filters, and yes, that “toilet to tap” issue. But there is slim comfort: Royte says we don’t really need to drink eight glasses of water a day. Drink when you’re thirsty, an expert says. That’s refreshing. Lisa Margonelli is an Irvine fellow at the New America Foundation and the author of “Oil on the Brain: Petroleum’s Long Strange Trip to Your Tank.”http://www.nytimes.com/2008/06/15/books/review/Margonelli-t.html?ref=books&pagewanted=print Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members TC Posted June 15, 2008 Members Share Posted June 15, 2008 Scary stuff, Sylph, especially for a water junkie like me. I've been off regular bottled water for a while, around the time I was made aware that it is mostly filtered tap water. At home I use a Brita, for my ice cubes as well. But I've noticed you have to live in a place that has decent tasting water to begin with for a Brita to work. At the family country house we have a water cooler for drinking water. The well water is clean and pretty much bacteria free, but too minerally harsh for drinking and cooking. I sometimes buy spring water in glass bottles, brands like Pelligrino, when I'm entertaining but I'm finding more and more that people are less impressed with them than they used to be. My fellow water junkies seem happier with with what I drink, with lots of ice, of course. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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