Members DevotedToAMC Posted May 2, 2008 Members Share Posted May 2, 2008 Heck they need to start a "non Gentleman" community because I belong to that one! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members DevotedToAMC Posted May 2, 2008 Members Share Posted May 2, 2008 Ahh you know what they say about great minds Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members DevotedToAMC Posted May 2, 2008 Members Share Posted May 2, 2008 Yea it would be horrible if he got in so we have to do what we can to prevent it from happening. Just be optimistic about it is what I ask Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members SnCCorinthos4ever Posted May 2, 2008 Members Share Posted May 2, 2008 I really do wish that I could be an honorary American for at least one day every 4 years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members DevotedToAMC Posted May 2, 2008 Members Share Posted May 2, 2008 LOL we would love to have the votes of people in Europe, South America, Canada, and Australia, SnC...odds are if that was possible then the Republican would never win the presidency Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members DaytimeFan Posted May 2, 2008 Members Share Posted May 2, 2008 I like the list...except Ronald Reagan. Poor Ronnie! At least he and Nancy were glamorous and fun. America was splashy in their heyday and his administration was quite bipartisan. Plus, Nancy HATED Barbara Bush, so she gets my vote! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members DevotedToAMC Posted May 2, 2008 Members Share Posted May 2, 2008 Ronald Reagan was the worst president until Bush came along. He curbed inflation by borrowing from social programs and wanted to do anything he could to get rid of them (Head Start, Social Security, Medicare). He gave tax cuts to the rich and corporations in hopes it would stimulate the economy but stupid him did not realize they would used the saved money from the cuts to invest in building factories overseas and ship jobs there (this resulted in jacking up taxes for the middle and poor classes). He dreamed up the NAFTA agreement in hopes that it would send jobs down to Mexico and take them away from hardworking Americans whereas Clinton used NAFTA to build jobs here, not ship them to our neighbors down south to exploit cheap labor. He put us in danger through selling weapons to Iran and using the money he made off of that transaction to aid the Contras, a terrorist organization-very impeachable offense! His War On Drugs was way too simplistic and naive, he insulted Democrats every chance he got, he ran up a deficit that took Clinton eight years to pay off (imagine how long it will take to pay off the current one), he invaded Granada over nonsense, more people were without medical insurance under him (plus, he spoke out against socialized medicine with myths), he and his buddies sold weapons to Saddam Hussein and pretty much armed him, unemployment was at its highest number ever in 1984. Sure he might have had a sense of humor and he and Nancy were glamorous and fun but you need someone as president who knows what they are doing-he did not have a clue as to how to be president...I don't know where you get the idea that the administration was bipartisan. I cannot think of any Democrats who worked for him and he bashed Democrats every chance he got so no bipartisanship through Congress. He took credit for ending the Cold War when he had nothing to do with it-it merely happened when he was president. The Soviet Union or Empire was bound to collapse through internal struggles..it so happened while he was the president. All empires crumble: Roman, Ottoman, Soviet....it was not through him that it took place. He invested way too much money in a missile defense system known as "Star Wars" (a bad actor like him can only wish to be in a great movie like that saga) when that money could have gone to bigger causes (plus, why did we need missiles? Oh yea-because he sold weapons to Mr. Hussein who could use them against us! Don't sell weapons to others and therefore there would be no need for building missiles). His wife also bought expensive china that cost taxpayers plenty of money and his response was just a big ole great job to Nancy...he can still criticize his wife. I am not fond of Nancy either...sure, she hated Barbara Bush but she also was pretty much a useless First Lady (but I will take Nancy over Stepford Laura Bush). She does not rank up there with empowered First Ladys like Eleanor Roosevelt, Jackie Kennedy, Rosalynn Carter, and Hillary Clinton. As my friend at the politics forum I post at said about Reagan: "He was a bad governor, a worse POTUS, and a really crappy actor! Sure, his funeral was nice but that was because he had nothing to do with it." That friend died in September/2006 and, if he had anything to do with it, he would kick Reagan out of Heaven...or did Reagan even go there? Not sure Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Wales2004 Posted May 2, 2008 Members Share Posted May 2, 2008 The media gives the impression that they all think alike and their leaders are Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton. I don't get the sense from anything that I've heard said by the media that black people are capable of thinking for themselves. Black people in America aren't just comprised of the ones who were born here from slavery. There are black people here that immigrated from other countries as well and have had children here. Their culture and traditions are different from Americans. I hear the media refer to Kwanzaa and I guess I'd have to take a trip to the community where it's celebrated to know any more than that because I don't know anyone that observes it. A sportscaster on ABC's local affiliate interviewed Lennox Lewis (who is from England) prior to a fight that was scheduled here in Los Angeles. He asked Mr Lewis why he was staying at the Beverly Hills Four Seasons instead of somewhere in South Central. He made the false assumption that being black meant that Lennox Lewis would be familiar with South Central which apparently wasn't the case at the time so the sportscaster tried to clean it up by saying that The Four Seasons seemed like a soft place for a tough fighter. I had a teacher once tell me that she and her husband went to London on vacation and she was surprised to hear the little black children speaking cockney. I guess they were supposed to speak American slang. I know a lot of small minded people and I can safely say that small mindedness doesn't discriminate. It gladly resides in all kinds of people. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Jess Posted May 2, 2008 Members Share Posted May 2, 2008 Ronald Reagan ran for president on the premise that the federal government had extended its reach beyond that which the constitution expected. He said if he was elected he was going to change the federal government's role in programs. His specific target area was education, environmental programs, workers' programs such as OSHA. He also said if he was elected he was going to cut taxes and increase spending on certain programs, particularly military spending. At the time of the election, Jimmy Carter was president, we had double digit inflation, interest rates and in many parts of the country, double digit unemployment. There was also the Irainian Hostage situation. Reagan's argument was that if you cut taxes, it would put more money into the pockets of Americans and they would spend their way out of the economic downturn. He also argued that increasing government spending would make the military strong enough to withstand Iranian hostage crises. Also increased spending would stimulate the economy. It was a modification of Keynsian Economic Principles. The problems were the tax cuts were too massive, the spending too large and much of the tax cuts aimed only at the richest Americans. I thought it would lead the American peopel to understand that monetary policy not fiscal policy is the best way out of economic trouble. I did not, do not and never will support his programs. But he said he was going to do that and the American people elected him to do it. He did what he said he was going to do. I think he was a poor president because he became so disengaged and relied too heavily on campaign and White House advisors. His economic policies did cause the deficit to balloon. But the American people elected him to do just what he did. Many many conservatives argue that the federal government is involved in too much of what the states should be doing. I don't think he will be remembered as one of the nation's worst presidents. I don't think he will be remembered as a good one either. He just seemed to be too out of touch. He really did rely way too much on advisors and really didn't seem to know what is going on. I don't think he will be judged because he was a rock rib conservative though. Personally, I think Jimmy Carter was one of the nation's worst presidents. He has been a better former president. Nixon also was a crook and a bad man. Unfortunately, in spite of that he really was a very good president. Had he not been such a bad man, he probably would be remembered as one of our best presidents. Buchanan generally gets the nod as the worst. LOL. I think Bush will be recalled as one of our worst presidents. He got us into a war, we were misled about why, he was unable to accomplish any of his major legislative programs. He was inattentive and he could not communicate with the public in such a way that he could inspire the country. He checked out on the country's major issues. What a flop he has been. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Roman Posted May 2, 2008 Members Share Posted May 2, 2008 Not just the media. There are many who think that all Obama has to do is get all of us in one area, say a few words and we'll listen to whatever he says because we can't think for ourselves, which I have and always will find very insulting. Kinda like when you hear someone say "You know, some of my best friends are black......." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Wales2004 Posted May 2, 2008 Members Share Posted May 2, 2008 Oh but they are... 'Sorry but I couldn't resist that one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Roman Posted May 2, 2008 Members Share Posted May 2, 2008 :lol: :lol: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Roman Posted May 2, 2008 Members Share Posted May 2, 2008 Look at this, and judge for yourself: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iM5jaQlnwX8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Roman Posted May 2, 2008 Members Share Posted May 2, 2008 I sent this clip to a site I trust, and the director himslef said it was doctored. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members DevotedToAMC Posted May 3, 2008 Members Share Posted May 3, 2008 OUch that sux Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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