This is the Presidential Campaign Thread.

Barack Obama Vs. John McCain.

Edited November 6, 200817 yr by Toups

Those stories made me cry! Know his gving a live speech!

Here goes McCain and sidekick accusing Obama of having an association with a PLO leader that McCain's Republican group funded with a half million dollars.

I finally filled in my ballot earlier which had 12 state propositions (10 of which were poorly worded) and another three county propositions. And I did watch most of the Obamercial. It was better than I expected.

McCain has a clever commercial that says Obama isn't ready to be President yet....I guess that's supposed to appeal to people who like Obama but think he should run later. McCain doesn't have an economic plan so he's still not offering any alternative.

Its clear this rhetoric about Obama's supposed associations with these radicals isn't working for McCain, why does he keep doing it?

Tuesday cannot some soon enough! I love seeing those early voting numbers! Hopefully the turnout is high on election day too.

Its clear this rhetoric about Obama's supposed associations with these radicals isn't working for McCain, why does he keep doing it?

Tuesday cannot some soon enough! I love seeing those early voting numbers! Hopefully the turnout is high on election day too.

He was campaigning in Florida so he was trying to scare Jewish voters (with the PLO association) and also Cuban Americans and Americans of Cuban descent by comparing Obama to Castro.

Anyone watching the Obama tv show?

What channel is it on.

Hopefully they will put it on here.

Couple of questions.

What would be the best web site to keep an eye on for results. As it will be the 11/5 for me I would like to keep up to date.

I can give my work email addy if anyone wants to up date me lol.

Also here they are showing a special on one of the cable channels from the makers of the West Wing about the Presidential raace I think it is, It has a couple of past Presidents on it in Carter and Clinton. Have they showed it in the US or are they going to show it?

I called into into this show called "Clout" on Air America, that featured political discussion with Nancy Lee Grahan (Alexis, GH), Deidre Hall (Marlena, DAYS), Lesli Kay (Felicia, B&, and Kimberly McCullough (Robin, GH). Got to speak to Nancy, Deidre and Lesli. It was great.

We talked about Obama and the change he'll bring to America, and I found out why Nancy and Deidre were supporting him, Lesli and I started talking about Obama's speech on race and whatnot, and then MY DAMN SIGNAL CUT OUT!!

I thought I said that.

OH!! :lol: Well, it was well-said regardless. I guess that is one of the problems of politics, when the message transcends the politician :lol:

I called into into this show called "Clout" on Air America, that featured political discussion with Nancy Lee Grahan (Alexis, GH), Deidre Hall (Marlena, DAYS), Lesli Kay (Felicia, B&, and Kimberly McCullough (Robin, GH). Got to speak to Nancy, Deidre and Lesli. It was great.

We talked about Obama and the change he'll bring to America, and I found out why Nancy and Deidre were supporting him, Lesli and I started talking about Obama's speech on race and whatnot, and then MY DAMN SIGNAL CUT OUT!!

I would have enjoyed watching that. Why did they say they were supporting Obama?

Also, for a much earlier post by someone. I now put Elizabeth Dole on my list of those who deserve to lose and never again surface in political office. Her ads is a lie and she knows it. You know what, even if her opponent was "godless", it is her right as an American. But her opponent is a Presbyterian and a former Sunday School teacher. It's just a shameless lie.

Those who lie on the campaign, also lie in office.

Edited October 30, 200817 yr by Jess

I would have enjoyed watching that. Why did they say they were supporting Obama?

Also, for a much earlier post by someone. I now put Elizabeth Dole on my list of those who deserve to lose and never again surface in political office. Her ads is a lie and she knows it. You know what, even if her opponent was "godless", it is her right as an American. But her opponent is a Presbyterian and a former Sunday School teacher. It's just a shameless lie.

Those who lie on the campaign, also lie in office.

They were all so nice and sweet. I complimented them all before we began talking about politics.

I spoke to why I supported Obama and how he speaks to me as a youth, how I like what he stands for and all that. Then I asked the ladies why they supported Obama and used their positions as actors to try and get their fans to vote (not necessarily for one person, but to vote on general).

Nancy said she was supporting Obama because of Roe vs. Wade (among many other reasons). She said his view on Women's rights and support for women makes him a strong candidate for her. She said if you are for women's rights Obama is a good candidate to back.

Deidre said she was supporting him for his stance on women's rights and equal pay (among other reasons).

Lesli and I talked a bit about Obama's speech on race that was held earlier this year.

Then the host asked me how I had time to watch soaps with my schedule and I was like DVR! We were getting ready to talk about why I like soaps and these ladies when my DAMN PHONE CUT OUT.

Awww Ryan that sucks

Anywho I wanted to ask, anyone else but me not too keen on either candidate and wish there was anyone but them we could vote for?

Awww Ryan that sucks

Anywho I wanted to ask, anyone else but me not too keen on either candidate and wish there was anyone but them we could vote for?

Are you undecided?

I seriously can't understand how someone can still be undecided just days before the election. I think I read on CNN on the Cafferty File how he doesn't think anyone is really "undecided". And I happen to agree with him for once. This is probably one of the most important elections and if someone hasn't made up their mind by now I really don't know what to think of them.

Obama on The Daily Show:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/10/29/o...i_n_139123.html

They were all so nice and sweet. I complimented them all before we began talking about politics.

I spoke to why I supported Obama and how he speaks to me as a youth, how I like what he stands for and all that. Then I asked the ladies why they supported Obama and used their positions as actors to try and get their fans to vote (not necessarily for one person, but to vote on general).

Nancy said she was supporting Obama because of Roe vs. Wade (among many other reasons). She said his view on Women's rights and support for women makes him a strong candidate for her. She said if you are for women's rights Obama is a good candidate to back.

Deidre said she was supporting him for his stance on women's rights and equal pay (among other reasons).

Lesli and I talked a bit about Obama's speech on race that was held earlier this year.

Then the host asked me how I had time to watch soaps with my schedule and I was like DVR! We were getting ready to talk about why I like soaps and these ladies when my DAMN PHONE CUT OUT.

That sounds very interesting. Too bad about the phone.

I agree with this whole issue of public financing of campaigns:

Call Him John the Careless

By George F. Will

From the invasion of Iraq to the selection of Sarah Palin, carelessness has characterized recent episodes of faux conservatism. Tuesday's probable repudiation of the Republican Party will punish characteristics displayed in the campaign's closing days. Some polls show that Palin has become an even heavier weight in John McCain's saddle than his association with George W. Bush. Did McCain, who seems to think that Palin's never having attended a "Georgetown cocktail party" is sufficient qualification for the vice presidency, lift an eyebrow when she said that vice presidents "are in charge of the United States Senate"?

She may have been tailoring her narrative to her audience of third-graders, who do not know that vice presidents have no constitutional function in the Senate other than to cast tie-breaking votes. But does she know that when Lyndon Johnson, transformed by the 1960 election from Senate majority leader into vice president, ventured to the Capitol to attend the Democratic senators' weekly policy luncheon, the new majority leader, Montana's Mike Mansfield, supported by his caucus, barred him because his presence would be a derogation of the Senate's autonomy?

Perhaps Palin's confusion about the office for which she is auditioning comes from listening to its current occupant. Dick Cheney, the foremost practitioner of this administration's constitutional carelessness in aggrandizing executive power, regularly attends the Senate Republicans' Tuesday luncheons. He has said jocularly that he is "a product" of the Senate, which pays his salary, and that he has no "official duties" in the executive branch. His situational constitutionalism has, however, led him to assert, when claiming exemption from a particular executive order, that he is a member of the legislative branch and, when seeking to shield certain of his deliberations from legislative inquiry, to say that he is a member of the executive branch.

Palin may be an inveterate simplifier; McCain has a history of reducing controversies to cartoons. A Republican financial expert recalls attending a dinner with McCain for the purpose of discussing with him domestic and international financial complexities that clearly did not fascinate the senator. As the dinner ended, McCain's question for his briefer was: "So, who is the villain?"

McCain revived a familiar villain -- "huge amounts" of political money -- when Barack Obama announced that he had received contributions of $150 million in September. "The dam is broken," said McCain, whose constitutional carelessness involves wanting to multiply impediments to people who want to participate in politics by contributing to candidates -- people such as the 632,000 first-time givers to Obama in September.

Why is it virtuous to erect a dam of laws to impede the flow of contributions by which citizens exercise their First Amendment right to political expression? "We're now going to see," McCain warned, "huge amounts of money coming into political campaigns, and we know history tells us that always leads to scandal." The supposedly inevitable scandal, which supposedly justifies preemptive government restrictions on Americans' freedom to fund the dissemination of political ideas they favor, presumably is that Obama will be pressured to give favors to his September givers. The contributions by the new givers that month averaged $86.

One excellent result of this election cycle is that public financing of presidential campaigns now seems sillier than ever. The public has always disliked it: Voluntary and cost-free participation, using the check-off on the income tax form, peaked at 28.7 percent in 1980 and has sagged to 9.2 percent. The Post, which is melancholy about the system's parlous condition, says there were three reasons for creating public financing: to free candidates from the demands of fundraising, to level the playing field and "to limit the amount of money pouring into presidential campaigns." The first reason is decreasingly persuasive because fundraising is increasingly easy because of new technologies such as the Internet. The second reason is, the Supreme Court says, constitutionally impermissible. Government may not mandate equality of resources among political competitors who earn different levels of voluntary support. As for the third reason -- "huge amounts" (McCain) of money "pouring into" (The Post) presidential politics -- well:

The Center for Responsive Politics calculates that, by Election Day, $2.4 billion will have been spent on presidential campaigns in the two-year election cycle that began in January 2007, and an additional $2.9 billion will have been spent on 435 House and 35 Senate contests. This $5.3 billion is a billion less than Americans will spend this year on potato chips.

I think this is funny

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/

Joe the no show

CNN) — Joe Wurzelbacher, aka Joe the Plumber, has become an integral part of John McCain's presidential bid, but it appears the Arizona senator's campaign and the now-famous Toledo plumber need to work on their communication skills.

McCain aides told CNN's Dana Bash Wurzelbacher would appear with the Republican presidential candidate at his first campaign event in Defiance, Ohio. But in what was a slightly awkward moment for McCain, Wurzelbacher was nowhere to be seen when the Arizona senator called out for him.

A campaign aide later said Wurzelbacher had "decided not to come" and may join McCain later in the day.

But reached at his home by CNN's Mary Snow, Wurzelbacher said it was "news to him" that he was supposed to be at the McCain rally. Wurzelbacher said nobody from the McCain campaign confirmed he was attending the event and called the incident a "miscommunication."

Wurzelbacher also said he is headed to Philadelphia for a charity event unrelated to the campaign and has no plans to meet up with McCain today.

UPDATE: Contacted by CNN a second time, Wurzelbacher said the campaign only called him to confirm after the event in question already took place. He will now try to meet up with McCain later in the day.

Wurzelbacher also said he had gotten an initial call about coming to the morning rally, "but no one called back to confirm," and was "not happy" that McCain had called out his name and he wasn't there.

According to Keith Olbermann yesterday, JTP has hired publicists and is now working on trying to become a country music star.....so much for buying that plumbing business. McCain just needs to let him go because he was a fraud from the gate and now he's moved to the class of wannabe entertainers instead of the "every man" McCain and co. are holding him up to be.

Even worse for McCain at that rally.....they had to bus in 4,000 school kids to fill the crowds. I just want to know how it's okay to pull kids out of school to go sit at his rally. I'm sure the kids didn't mind skipping their classes but they all couldn't have thought it was the place to be.

Here's a clip of Joe where are you?

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/10/30/m...h_n_139300.html