This is the Presidential Campaign Thread.

Barack Obama Vs. John McCain.

Edited November 6, 200817 yr by Toups

I'm posting this mainly because I like the last paragraph:

Sarah Palin unappealin' to Jon Stewart

Thursday, October 9th 2008, 9:51 AM

"Neither of them is perfect, but if you, out of nowhere, are going to grab a woman out of the woods and make her your vice presidential candidate, what can I do?

"[sarah Palin] is like Jodie Foster in the movie 'Nell,' " Stewart continued. "They just found her, and she was speaking her own special language.

"Have you noticed how [Palin's] rallies have begun to take on the characteristics of the last days of the Weimar Republic? In Florida, she asked 'Who is Barack Obama?' Hey, lady, we just met YOU five f-ing weeks ago."

Jon Stewart is awesome.

I thought his remark "that one" was a a misspeak until I read that story. I thought McCain had meant to say, "which senator vote for it, that one"

When I read that article, it appears that it was intentional and intended to be belittling. McCain has an awful temper, and appears not to be a very good loser. It behaved badly when he was against Bush in the 2000 primaries.

I now think the comment was both disrespectful, intentional and petty.

I think it was meant to be disrespectful. It seems to me that McCain has gotten used to the crowd reaction at his rallies and he was trying to invoke a similar response during the debate.

ITA that Jon Stewart is awesome!

Has anyone else seen this?

http://www.veteranreportcard.org/

It's a nonpartisan veterans group that gave grades to each member of Congress based on their voting records for veterans last year. Obama & Biden each got a B, McCain got a D!

I think it was meant to be disrespectful. It seems to me that McCain has gotten used to the crowd reaction at his rallies and he was trying to invoke a similar response during the debate.

ITA that Jon Stewart is awesome!

Has anyone else seen this?

http://www.veteranreportcard.org/

It's a nonpartisan veterans group that gave grades to each member of Congress based on their voting records for veterans last year. Obama & Biden each got a B, McCain got a D!

The same John McCain who said he supported the troops more than Obama?

The same John McCain who said he supported the troops more than Obama?

Apparently not enough to show up for more votes on their issues. On one, he gave the excuse of wanting it to include transferrability.....but it was already included....so much for that.

Today's best line for me comes from Bill Burton (Obama) who called the media coverage a cross between a McCain infomercial and an episode of the X-Files. I have to agree. It's like turning on the news and finding myself in another dimension.....and with Palin saying that Barack Obama would diminish "the prestige of the United States presidency," the venom continues to flow.

I don't know how to embed videos so here's a link to a youtube video on Huffington of some McCain Palin supporters articulating the problem they have with Barack Obama:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/10/09/m...d_n_133240.html

Apparently not enough to show up for more votes on their issues. On one, he gave the excuse of wanting it to include transferrability.....but it was already included....so much for that.

Today's best line for me comes from Bill Burton (Obama) who called the media coverage a cross between a McCain infomercial and an episode of the X-Files. I have to agree. It's like turning on the news and finding myself in another dimension.....and with Palin saying that Barack Obama would diminish "the prestige of the United States presidency," the venom continues to flow.

Wales, do you have a link to when she said this? This is just incredible. I wonder, how exactly he would "diminish the prestige" of the office, according to her. The assumption can be made that McCain would feel the same way, since she's on the same ticket. It appears there is no limit to what they will say or do to tear down Obama.

I don't know how to embed videos so here's a link to a youtube video on Huffington of some McCain Palin supporters articulating the problem they have with Barack Obama:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/10/09/m...d_n_133240.html

That video was just.....wow. It's a truly sad thing to watch when people are oblivious to the facts IRT Obama. The statement that "he's a terrorist" is a horrible thing to say, but then to have no evidence or proof or to even know why you feel that way....wow. The videographer had a good point with his "When did you first hear of Obama? When did you first hear of Palin?" The blonde video hog is obviously lying her ass off. And it's funny that the people attending the event weren't really....diverse. Were they?

The level of political discourse is getting even lower, now a McCain surrogate is accusing Obama of cheating.

http://www.journalgazette.net/apps/pbcs.dl...0281/1002/LOCAL

GOP senator: Democrats want to steal Indiana

By Sylvia A. Smith

Washington editor

WASHINGTON - The only way Barack Obama can win in Indiana is to cheat, one of John McCain's stand-ins said Thursday.

He said votes have already been cast by "people who don't exist" and that a national voter-registration effort is "trying to steal the election in Indiana."

In an interview before headlining the Indiana Republican Party's fund-raising dinner in Indianapolis Thursday night, Sen. Lindsey Graham, R-S.C., said Hoosiers are too smart to vote for Obama.

Democrats, he said, "can't win fairly out here."

Asked if Democrats could win without cheating, Graham said, "No. They can't win fairly out here 'cause their agenda is so far removed from the average Hoosier.

"We could lose, I suppose, if they cheat us out of it," Graham said of Indiana's 11 electoral votes. "I think the only way we lose a state like North Carolina or Indiana is to get cheated out of it."

Kip Tew, a senior adviser to Obama's campaign in Indiana, said Graham's accusations are "highly irresponsible." He said the Obama campaign deplores voter fraud.

He said for Graham to suggest that Indiana's 92 election boards can't operate elections fairly is insulting.

Wales, do you have a link to when she said this? This is just incredible. I wonder, how exactly he would "diminish the prestige" of the office, according to her. The assumption can be made that McCain would feel the same way, since she's on the same ticket. It appears there is no limit to what they will say or do to tear down Obama.

I read it on Huffington.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/10/09/p...i_n_133331.html

I should probably resist the urge to read any more of what McCain's people are saying because it seems to just get more and more ridiculous. Now his co-chair Frank Keating is saying Obama is a "guy of the street" that should admit his drug use. I don't know how Frank Keating found about it but other people learned about it from Obama's book.

Edited October 9, 200817 yr by Wales2004

The level of political discourse is getting even lower, now a McCain surrogate is accusing Obama of cheating.

http://www.journalgazette.net/apps/pbcs.dl...0281/1002/LOCAL

I read it on Huffington.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/10/09/p...i_n_133331.html

I should probably resist the urge to read any more of what McCain's people are saying because it seems to just get more and more ridiculous. Now his co-chair Frank Keating is saying Obama is a "guy of the street" that should admit his drug use. I don't know how Frank Keating found about it but other people learned about it from Obama's book.

Is it me, or are these two developments disturbing? Republicans accusing Democrats of "cheating" in IN and NC even BEFORE Nov 4th? They are either very worried about their candidate's prospects or they simply have no shame. JMHO.

Secondly, the issue of the drug use is a new pathetic attempt to smear. It's nothing new. They are grasping at straws.

Regardless, seeing how low things have gotten makes me very

The level of political discourse is getting even lower, now a McCain surrogate is accusing Obama of cheating.

Considering that Republicans were accused of calling people in 2000/4 (whichever) and telling them they weren't eligible to vote (when they were)...I'd be careful about throwing stones in a glass house.

While the ACORN thing isn't good by any means, I don't think anyone can call Obama himself a cheater, or act like Republicans are saints in that department. Again, though, doesn't make the situation okay at all.

Edited October 10, 200817 yr by bandbfan

Tell me this isn't scary. I am posting the first part of the article and providing the link to the rest.

Source: Salon.com

Oct. 10, 2008 PALMER, Alaska — | On the afternoon of Sept. 24 in downtown Palmer, Alaska, as the sun began to sink behind the snowcapped mountains that flank the picturesque Mat-Su Valley, 51-year-old Mark Chryson sat for an hour on a park bench, reveling in tales of his days as chairman of the Alaska Independence Party. The stocky, gray-haired computer technician waxed nostalgic about quixotic battles to eliminate taxes, support the “traditional family” and secede from the United States.

So long as Alaska remained under the boot of the federal government, said Chryson, the AIP had to stand on guard to stymie a New World Order. He invited a Salon reporter to see a few items inside his pickup truck that were intended for his personal protection. “This here is my attack dog,” he said with a chuckle, handing the reporter an exuberant 8-pound papillon from his passenger seat. “Her name is Suzy.” Then he pulled a 9-millimeter Makarov PM pistol — once the standard-issue sidearm for Soviet cops — out of his glove compartment. “I’ve got enough weaponry to raise a small army in my basement,” he said, clutching the gun in his palm. “Then again, so do most Alaskans.” But Chryson added a message of reassurance to residents of that faraway place some Alaskans call “the 48.” “We want to go our separate ways,” he said, “but we are not going to kill you.”

Though Chryson belongs to a fringe political party, one that advocates the secession of Alaska from the Union, and that organizes with other like-minded secessionist movements from Canada to the Deep South, he is not without peculiar influence in state politics, especially the rise of Sarah Palin. An obscure figure outside of Alaska, Chryson has been a political fixture in the hometown of the Republican vice-presidential nominee for over a decade. During the 1990s, when Chryson directed the AIP, he and another radical right-winger, Steve Stoll, played a quiet but pivotal role in electing Palin as mayor of Wasilla and shaping her political agenda afterward. Both Stoll and Chryson not only contributed to Palin’s campaign financially, they played major behind-the-scenes roles in the Palin camp before, during and after her victory.

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Palin backed Chryson as he successfully advanced a host of anti-tax, pro-gun initiatives, including one that altered the state Constitution’s language to better facilitate the formation of anti-government militias. She joined in their vendetta against several local officials they disliked, and listened to their advice about hiring. She attempted to name Stoll, a John Birch Society activist known in the Mat-Su Valley as “Black Helicopter Steve,” to an empty Wasilla City Council seat. “Every time I showed up her door was open,” said Chryson. “And that policy continued when she became governor.”

Tell me this isn't scary. I am posting the first part of the article and providing the link to the rest.

Source: Salon.com

Oct. 10, 2008 PALMER, Alaska — | On the afternoon of Sept. 24 in downtown Palmer, Alaska, as the sun began to sink behind the snowcapped mountains that flank the picturesque Mat-Su Valley, 51-year-old Mark Chryson sat for an hour on a park bench, reveling in tales of his days as chairman of the Alaska Independence Party. The stocky, gray-haired computer technician waxed nostalgic about quixotic battles to eliminate taxes, support the “traditional family” and secede from the United States.

So long as Alaska remained under the boot of the federal government, said Chryson, the AIP had to stand on guard to stymie a New World Order. He invited a Salon reporter to see a few items inside his pickup truck that were intended for his personal protection. “This here is my attack dog,” he said with a chuckle, handing the reporter an exuberant 8-pound papillon from his passenger seat. “Her name is Suzy.” Then he pulled a 9-millimeter Makarov PM pistol — once the standard-issue sidearm for Soviet cops — out of his glove compartment. “I’ve got enough weaponry to raise a small army in my basement,” he said, clutching the gun in his palm. “Then again, so do most Alaskans.” But Chryson added a message of reassurance to residents of that faraway place some Alaskans call “the 48.” “We want to go our separate ways,” he said, “but we are not going to kill you.”

Though Chryson belongs to a fringe political party, one that advocates the secession of Alaska from the Union, and that organizes with other like-minded secessionist movements from Canada to the Deep South, he is not without peculiar influence in state politics, especially the rise of Sarah Palin. An obscure figure outside of Alaska, Chryson has been a political fixture in the hometown of the Republican vice-presidential nominee for over a decade. During the 1990s, when Chryson directed the AIP, he and another radical right-winger, Steve Stoll, played a quiet but pivotal role in electing Palin as mayor of Wasilla and shaping her political agenda afterward. Both Stoll and Chryson not only contributed to Palin’s campaign financially, they played major behind-the-scenes roles in the Palin camp before, during and after her victory.

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Palin backed Chryson as he successfully advanced a host of anti-tax, pro-gun initiatives, including one that altered the state Constitution’s language to better facilitate the formation of anti-government militias. She joined in their vendetta against several local officials they disliked, and listened to their advice about hiring. She attempted to name Stoll, a John Birch Society activist known in the Mat-Su Valley as “Black Helicopter Steve,” to an empty Wasilla City Council seat. “Every time I showed up her door was open,” said Chryson. “And that policy continued when she became governor.”

Wow and this is the same brainless bimbo that is going on and on about Obama and Ayres.

Her association with this group is IMHO 100 times worse than Ayres holding any type of fundraising party for Obama.

I thought his remark "that one" was a a misspeak until I read that story. I thought McCain had meant to say, "which senator vote for it, that one"

When I read that article, it appears that it was intentional and intended to be belittling. McCain has an awful temper, and appears not to be a very good loser. It behaved badly when he was against Bush in the 2000 primaries.

I now think the comment was both disrespectful, intentional and petty.

I agree. I think McCain has a bad temper too and I think he's looking like a racist to me too. With the "that one" and not looking at Obama at all in the 1st debate.

Lesse... Palin is slow in the head...

Hmmm... well, I personally think she is smarter than a lot of white, black, green, yellow, or any color of some "democratics men" period.

What a load of b.s!! Sarah Palin is dumber than almost all Democrats I know, especially in the public arena and is dumber than a lot of Republicans too.

What a load of b.s!! Sarah Palin is dumber than almost all Democrats I know, especially in the public arena and is dumber than a lot of Republicans too.

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I think that my 8 month old great nephew is 1000 times smarter than Palin.