This is the Presidential Campaign Thread.

Barack Obama Vs. John McCain.

Edited November 6, 200817 yr by Toups

Its classic American politics. When you are down, its all out character assassination, from both sides.

This month should be very, very interesting.... to see if it works this time for the "Maverick" McCain-Palin ticket.

http://www.crooksandliars.com/nicole-belle...s-campaign-goes

I agree with you wholeheartedly if the goal is to be self-righteous, then you do run circles around me. Wales you run circles around every other poster in this thread..by far..in the arena of self-righteousness.

I find it hard to believe that you have been holding back your intellectual prowess in the effort of being fair or sweet. (If you reaaally wanted to....um sure...)Why haven't you? Why have you hidden your ability to debate on objective matters up to this point.? What has finally urged you to unleash your surperior abilities?..I am waiting with upmost anticipation for your studious display of knowledge..

Do you still think it doesn't make sense for the Senate to vote after the House rejected the rescue bill? Or was that a farce to hide your true understanding so that you could come back and ambush me with your wealth of wisdom?

Have you no shame? You have no respect for me, as you said, but you continue to waste your time and intellect trying to point out my flaws. The difference between you and me is that had I said the things you said about me......this exchange wouldn't have taken place because I have no time for disrespectful people.

I'm pretty sure that was you who asked me to promise to drop things instead of just "manning" up and dropping them on your own. If you've demonstrated nothing else, you've demonstrated that you're a bit weak.

You ought not to waste your intelligence on me because my reaction to you fluctuates between laughter and zzzzzzzzzzzzzz......you're tiresome and now your words just look like why, why why, blah blah blah.

If you need me to let you off the hook so you can be victorious....you're off the hook. You win. You're smarter than I am. You're more respectful than I am. You've got more brilliant things to say than I do.

But geez you're no where near as fun.

Chuck Todd calls the McCain campaign "a series of tactics with no strategy," a candidacy that obsesses with news cycle wins who will hear that they talked about "William Ayers on Meet The Press" and call it a win. That's a pretty good nutshelling of McCain's campaign.

Wales I saw that this morning, and I couldn't agree more with Chuck Todd.

Here's the SNL Clip:

http://www.nbc.com/Saturday_Night_Live/vid...n-biden/727421/

I transcribed some of the it. I bolded the best parts.

Eiffel: And finally, we would like to remind our audience that due to historically low expectations for Governor Palin, were she simply to do an adequate job tonight, that no point cry, faint, run out of the building, or vomit, you should consider the debate, a tie.

Biden: I love John McCain. He’s one of my dear friends, but at the same time, he’s also dangerously unbalanced…….this is a man I would take a bullet for, but he’s bad at his job and mentally unstable. As my mother would say, ‘God love him, but he’s a raging maniac,’ and a dear dear friend.

Eiffel: Governor Palin, would you like to respond to Senator Biden’s comments about John McCain

Palin: No thank you, but I would like to talk about being an outsider. You see, while Senator Biden has been in Washington all these years, I’ve been with regular people: hockey moms and Joe-six-packs. I’d also like to give a shout out to the 3rd graders of Gladis Woods Elementary who were so helpful to me in my debate practice. *winks* Also to you see, I think a little differently from an insider. I don’t think it’s patriotic to pay more taxes. I don’t think it’s patriotic to criticize these wars we got going on. I do think it’s patriotic to tell the government, ‘Hey, get out of my way. Stop trying to impose on my right to shoot wolves from a helicopter.’ But a Washington insider like Joe Biden probably disagrees.

Eiffel: [Governor] Palin, address your position on global warming and whether or not it’s man made or not.

Palin: Gwen, we don’t know if this climate change, whosy-what’s-it, is man made or not or if it’s just a natural part of the end of days. But I’m not going to talk about that. I would like to talk about taxes because with Barack Obama, you’re gonna be paying higher taxes but not with me and my fellow Maverick. We are not afraid to get Mavericky in there, ruffle feathers, and not got to allow that, and also to, the great Ronald Regan.

Eiffel: So to clarify, do you support gay marriage?

Biden: Absolutely not. But I do think they should be allowed to finish one another in the hospital and it a lot of ways, that’s just as good if not better.

Eiffel: Governor Palin, would you extend same sex rights to the entire country?

Palin: You know, I would be afraid of where that would lead. I believe marriage is meant to be a sacred institution between two unwilling teenagers. But don’t think I tolerate gay people because I do. I tolerate them with all my heart and I know quite a few too, not personally but I know of them. I’ve seen Ellen, oh, and there was this one girl on my college basketball team. She wasn’t officially a gay, but you know, we were pretty sure.

Eiffel: Governor Palin, what is your position on health care regulation?

Palin: I’m going to ignore that question and instead talk about Israel. I love Israel so much, bless its heart. There’s a special place for Israel in heaven. And I know some people are going to say I’m only saying that to pander to Florida voters…..but from an very young age, my two greatest loves were always Jews and Cuban food. *mouths ‘Thank s’ and blows a kiss*

Eiffel: I would now like to give each of you a chance to make a closing statement.

Palin (with a flute): Are we not doing the talent portion? *plays a bit of the flute and then winks*

Eiffel: Senator Biden, your closing statement.

Biden: My goal tonight was a simple one. To come up here and at no point seem like a condescending, egomaniacal bully and I’m going to be honest, I think I nailed it. Sure, there were moments I wanted to say, ‘Hey! This lady is a dummy!’ But I didn’t….because Joe Biden is better than that. I repeat. *points to himself* Joe Biden…is better….*points to Palin*…than that. So to all the pundits who said I would seem cocky or arrogant….you just got schooled, Biden style.

Eiffel: Governor Palin.

Palin: I liked being here tonight, answering these tough questions without the filter of the mainsteam ‘gotcha’ media with their follow up questions and fact checking or incessant need to figure out what your words mean and why you put them in that order. I’m happy to be speaking directly to the American people, to let them know if you want an outsider who doesn’t like politics as usual or pronouncing the ‘G’ at the end of the words she’s saying, I think you know who to vote for. Oh…and for those Joe-six-packs out there playing a drinking game at home, ‘Maverick!’ *pretends to open a beer can and drinks, then winks*

Tina Fey is a Goddess!!!

Thank you for the link. That was absolutely hilarious.

I agree with you wholeheartedly if the goal is to be self-righteous, then you do run circles around me. Wales you run circles around every other poster in this thread..by far..in the arena of self-righteousness.

I find it hard to believe that you have been holding back your intellectual prowess in the effort of being fair or sweet. (If you reaaally wanted to....um sure...)Why haven't you? Why have you hidden your ability to debate on objective matters up to this point.? What has finally urged you to unleash your surperior abilities?..I am waiting with upmost anticipation for your studious display of knowledge..

Do you still think it doesn't make sense for the Senate to vote after the House rejected the rescue bill? Or was that a farce to hide your true understanding so that you could come back and ambush me with your wealth of wisdom?

Ohhhh, just a correction. I was the ill-informed idiot on the Senate vote. I know it's easy to confuse Wales and I when name-calling.

Look, let me make this clear.

Wales is one of the best people that I know. But he's also out of his [!@#$%^&*] mind. He's reckless, silly and foolhearty. And I mean this, because I would jump off the Gateway Arch for the man.......but he just terrifies me. One minute he's kind and the next......and let me be clear, I would fight Bigfoot barehanded for this man......but he's psychotic. He is the most dangerous poster in the history of this board. And I love the [!@#$%^&*], I do. I would run into the path of an on-coming nuclear missile for the guy, but he is wrong about every single issue he's discussed, and he's wrong about America......

And a dear, dear friend.

Ohhhh, just a correction. I was the ill-informed idiot on the Senate vote. I know it's easy to confuse Wales and I when name-calling.

Jess I think he was taking a shot at me for being stupid enough to say that the Senate shouldn't vote on the same bill that the House rejected.....you know because I was foolish enough to think that the Senate shouldn't vote until it was revised since I was under the impression that voting on the identical bill would mean they would only have to vote again once it was revised. I should have just commented on Alsaska instead.

Look, let me make this clear.

Wales is one of the best people that I know. But he's also out of his [!@#$%^&*] mind. He's reckless, silly and foolhearty. And I mean this, because I would jump off the Gateway Arch for the man.......but he just terrifies me. One minute he's kind and the next......and let me be clear, I would fight Bigfoot barehanded for this man......but he's psychotic. He is the most dangerous poster in the history of this board. And I love the [!@#$%^&*], I do. I would run into the path of an on-coming nuclear missile for the guy, but he is wrong about every single issue he's discussed, and he's wrong about America......

And a dear, dear friend.

Uhmmmm......okay....you go Joe Biden!!!!

See, this just gets under my skin.

If they can go after Obama on Rev. Wright and Ayers, why do they cry when someone brings up Palin's own questionable church or her pregnant 17 year old daughter?

But if the Obama campaign were to do that, the whining from McCain and the MSM of how he'd do "anything to win the White House" would be deafening.

Witness this thread. Some McCain supporters would rather discuss Ayers, Rev. Wright and the "October Surprise" than the issues. There have been several unanswered questions over the last few days. The latest issue being the death penalty.

Exactly. On top of the fact of telling people they shouldn't be so sensitive or need to be more sensitive to other people.

Once again, if this is the best that McCain can do.....what do they have left? Nothing. Nothing at all. To spend the last 29 days talking about this bullshit instead of the issues shows how truly sad this campaign has gone.

Makes you think of the video footage of when the Hindenberg crashed.

Look, let me make this clear.

Wales is one of the best people that I know. But he's also out of his [!@#$%^&*] mind. He's reckless, silly and foolhearty. And I mean this, because I would jump off the Gateway Arch for the man.......but he just terrifies me. One minute he's kind and the next......and let me be clear, I would fight Bigfoot barehanded for this man......but he's psychotic. He is the most dangerous poster in the history of this board. And I love the [!@#$%^&*], I do. I would run into the path of an on-coming nuclear missile for the guy, but he is wrong about every single issue he's discussed, and he's wrong about America......

And a dear, dear friend.

You are [!@#$%^&*] hilarious, my friend.

Exactly. On top of the fact of telling people they shouldn't be so sensitive or need to be more sensitive to other people.

Once again, if this is the best that McCain can do.....what do they have left? Nothing. Nothing at all. To spend the last 29 days talking about this bullshit instead of the issues shows how truly sad this campaign has gone.

Makes you think of the video footage of when the Hindenberg crashed.

They have nothing. Again, witness this thread. After the VP debate wherein Palin didn't come off as a complete idiot - but still didn't answer the questions - some McCain supporters thought that would again send McCain to the top of the polls. Ugh.

So, what do you have for your candidate to pick up momentum? A VP debate that, while didn't give us any more information into Palin's policies, ended fairly well. And a smear campaign against your opponent. Nowhere a mention of any real issue.

UCLAN - I am praying as well that the American public is fed up with the fear and smear tactics and will instead opt for the candidate that will do right by us. All of us.

Have you no shame? You have no respect for me, as you said, but you continue to waste your time and intellect trying to point out my flaws. The difference between you and me is that had I said the things you said about me......this exchange wouldn't have taken place because I have no time for disrespectful people.

You act as if I have attacked you out of the blue..What a short memory span you must have..You said you could run circles around me on your worst day...Did you expect me to ignore that? I'm sure you didn't.

I'm pretty sure that was you who asked me to promise to drop things instead of just "manning" up and dropping them on your own. If you've demonstrated nothing else, you've demonstrated that you're a bit weak.

You are being VERY hypcritical here..Why in the world did you come up with the "me not being smart enough to realize that you could run circles around me"... If your interest was to quell our fued..Why do you throw out comments like that, if you are so innocent of not being "weak" like me? Do you think you can make nasty comments and expect no response to them? What makes you so special...other than your self-righteous mindset?

You ought not to waste your intelligence on me because my reaction to you fluctuates between laughter and zzzzzzzzzzzzzz......you're tiresome and now your words just look like why, why why, blah blah blah.

If you need me to let you off the hook so you can be victorious....you're off the hook. You win. You're smarter than I am. You're more respectful than I am. You've got more brilliant things to say than I do.

This is all fine and dandy with me..But if you want to make another comment about me...just expect to hear about it!

But geez you're no where near as fun.

This election and the future of our country is important to me..It's not a laughing matter..

Edited October 6, 200817 yr by Casey008

AP condemns Palin's Ayers/Obama comments

Questioning Obama's Ties To William Ayers Is Racist?

When you cannot dispute the facts, simply scream racism loud enough and pray people will ignore the facts and focus on the bogus charge of racism

The Wall Street Journal did an in-depth piece about the Barack Obama, William Ayers and the Chicago Annenberg Challenge (CAC)connections, titled "Obama and Ayers Pushed Radicalism On Schools."

Despite having authored two autobiographies, Barack Obama has never written about his most important executive experience. From 1995 to 1999, he led an education foundation called the Chicago Annenberg Challenge (CAC), and remained on the board until 2001. The group poured more than $100 million into the hands of community organizers and radical education activists.

The CAC was the brainchild of Bill Ayers, a founder of the Weather Underground in the 1960s. Among other feats, Mr. Ayers and his cohorts bombed the Pentagon, and he has never expressed regret for his actions. Barack Obama's first run for the Illinois State Senate was launched at a 1995 gathering at Mr. Ayers's home.

The Obama campaign has struggled to downplay that association. Last April, Sen. Obama dismissed Mr. Ayers as just "a guy who lives in my neighborhood," and "not somebody who I exchange ideas with on a regular basis." Yet documents in the CAC archives make clear that Mr. Ayers and Mr. Obama were partners in the CAC. Those archives are housed in the Richard J. Daley Library at the University of Illinois at Chicago and I've recently spent days looking through them.

*shakes head*

*shakes head*

I like So very true

Casey, since it seems that you want to talk about this bullshit instead of trying to defend McCain's record, let me post this for everyone's reading pleasure:

Book Excerpt: “'I hate the gooks,’ said John McCain in the year 2000. ‘I will hate them as long as I live.’ It reveals something when a senator calls people ‘gooks’ and volunteers it for mass media broadcast… The fact that Mr. McCain carries such everlasting hate within him – that says something too.

My mother does not want me to publish this book. I know exactly what she meant even though she did not say it. My mother simply wants no trouble, no heartache, for me or my family.

I grew up in East Texas and my parents still live there… the Ku Klux Klan is still very active there. Black people still get ‘nigger’ yelled at them. I got spit on for being Asian… growing up. I was called ‘gook’ every so often. Other times it was ‘Jap’ or ‘Chink’ or some other racial epithet. [And] the name-calling was never as bad as the violence.

Have you ever been an object before? It is difficult to describe my own personal experience as a ‘gook’ in America… What I am doing here is not an attack. It is a public service for my nation. If you’ve ever been called a ‘gook,’ you know this in your heart.”

While on the presidential campaign trail in February of 2000, John McCain was confronted by the press about his use of an ethnic slur against Asians. Instead of apologizing, the notoriously short-tempered Senator from Arizona arrogantly went on the offensive, asserting that he would always hate “gooks.”

It is now eight years later, and the country is facing the possibility that this inveterate racist might actually win the White House on Election Day. For this reason, Irwin A. Tang decided to publish Gook: John McCain’s Racism and Why It Matters. Tang, also the author of How I Became a Black Man, is an outspoken anomaly among Asian-Americans, a group dubbed the “model minority” because of their deference in the face of discrimination based on their skin color.

This timely tome makes a powerfully persuasive case against celebrated POW and presumed patriot McCain in several ways. First, Tang talks about the psychic and sometimes physical wounds he and other Asian-Americans have silently endured at the hands of bigots on account of prejudice. Then, he shows how McCain has courted the support of numerous white supremacist organizations over the course of his checkered political career. Most importantly, he then shows why this warmonger cannot be trusted to set the tone for tolerance either domestically or in terms of international affairs, given his history of dehumanizing ethnic and religious groups he doesn’t care for.

The eye-opening book’s basic question is this: Have we as a country really become so desensitized to hate speech that we’re willing to elect someone President who so openly stereotypes and acknowledges his dislike of a large segment of the society he is supposed to govern? After reading this heartfelt memoir/impassioned polemic, I say Irwin Tang, not John McCain, is the true American patriot. For, at considerable risk to own personal safety, the author of this shocking expose’ has revealed the Republican presidential nominee as little more than an incendiary race-baiter more reminiscent of a Jim Crow-era segregationist than a straight-talking maverick.

A moving must-read for any voters still undecided about who they’re going to support in November.