See, I don't know if you should have said that. You see, the conventional wisdom is that GWB was blamed for the hurricane hitting, and he didn't force those people to stay.

See, I have never said that, and anyone who thinks that is truly FOS.

I blame him for the RESPONSE to the hurricane. And, by what is happening right now in Houston, I can say one thing.....

Their imcompatance is consistant.

I should have been more explicit......I did mean the response or lack thereof. I read a couple of days ago the allegations from a book that says that Bush wanted Cheney to head a task force and Cheney refused saying that he doesn't do touchy feely. It implied that he didn't want to go to the area because he wasn't going to pick up any babies, etc. I can see that touchy feely isn't his thing but to bypass an effort to help the people in the area over that is horrible.

The incompetence factor is amazing.

I should have been more explicit......I did mean the response or lack thereof. I read a couple of days ago the allegations from a book that says that Bush wanted Cheney to head a task force and Cheney refused saying that he doesn't do touchy feely. It implied that he didn't want to go to the area because he wasn't going to pick up any babies, etc. I can see that touchy feely isn't his thing but to bypass an effort to help the people in the area over that is horrible.

The incompetence factor is amazing.

Wales, I'm still trying to figure out why he accepted the VP spot if he didn't want to help people? It reaffirms the notion that he is a very cold, very calculating person who does what he does for him, and the rest that are not in his immediate group be damned.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/09/16/c...c_n_126749.html

Conservatives Turn On McCain-Palin

The other is the sex ed ad for Kindergarteners.

Whatt???

I gotta see this absurd ad!

Anyone have a link?

http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/09/17/bat...poll/index.html

New Poll Numbers.

Florida: Obama 48, McCain 48

Indiana: McCain 51, Obama 45

North Carolina: McCain 48, Obama 47

Ohio: Obama 49, McCain 47

Wisconsin: Obama 50, McCain 47

Where is that big lead McCain had in Florida?

This is why i don't take these damn things seriously.

Edited September 17, 200817 yr by Roman

http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/09/17/bat...poll/index.html

New Poll Numbers.

Florida: Obama 48, McCain 48

Indiana: McCain 51, Obama 45

North Carolina: McCain 48, Obama 47

Ohio: Obama 49, McCain 47

Wisconsin: Obama 50, McCain 47

Where is that big lead McCain had in Florida?

This is why i don't take these damn things seriously.

I know right! The only poll I'm going to pay attention to is the one on election day.

http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/09/17/bat...poll/index.html

New Poll Numbers.

Florida: Obama 48, McCain 48

Indiana: McCain 51, Obama 45

North Carolina: McCain 48, Obama 47

Ohio: Obama 49, McCain 47

Wisconsin: Obama 50, McCain 47

Where is that big lead McCain had in Florida?

This is why i don't take these damn things seriously.

That's a good question, Roman. Maybe the sheen of SP is starting wear off? Maybe they are realizing that McCain is just an extension of Bush for another 4 years and not the "reform" he was talking about....

That's a good question, Roman. Maybe the sheen of SP is starting wear off? Maybe they are realizing that McCain is just an extension of Bush for another 4 years and not the "reform" he was talking about....

I'm wondering if some of his comments Monday have come back to start biting him in the backside.

On top of the fact that when one does so much lying, no matter what the other side says, even if they lie, it will LOOK like the truth. The Obama campaign has told some fibs too, but the McCain camp has told so many whoppers so often that they make the OC look honets by comparison.....

And that makes one shake their head.

Now, 2-3 days ago, McCain was running away with Florida. Now it's tied?

Damn, I wish this [!@#$%^&*] was over.

Whatt???

I gotta see this absurd ad!

Anyone have a link?

Toups - this is an MSNBC broadcast that includes the ad in a larger story. I couldn't find the ad on it's own.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IzspZ8pjeP8...feature=related

Now, 2-3 days ago, McCain was running away with Florida. Now it's tied?

Damn, I wish this [!@#$%^&*] was over.

When it is, President Obama will be in the White House and will go down as one of the greatest presidents ever. I truly believe that.

Toups - this is an MSNBC broadcast that includes the ad in a larger story. I couldn't find the ad on it's own.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IzspZ8pjeP8...feature=related

When it is, President Obama will be in the White House and will go down as one of the greatest presidents ever. I truly believe that.

But, GGL, you see my point.

Anyone can find any poll to suggest anything they want. They mean nothing. Over 115 million Americans voted 4 years ago. Now how can anyone guage a accurate count on how people are going to vote and what an entire state thinks of a candidate by the small number of people polled?

Edited September 17, 200817 yr by Roman

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/26760458/

I'll say it once more.......

Release The Hounds!......and Let Slip The Dogs Of War!!!

Whatt???

I gotta see this absurd ad!

Anyone have a link?

Here you go

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uVLQhRiEXZs

This is an editorial that was placed in my news paper, The Press of Atlantic City. It's written by Tim Rutten, columnist for the L.A. Times. I think he made some fair points, and though I think being tit for tat is silly, it exposes some of the double standards when it comes to Obama Coverage by some in the media (ie FOX) and coverage by Palin in the media (ie FOX).

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Palin's religious beliefs are fair game

(Published: Wednesday, September 17, 2008)

Connoisseurs of campaign tactics tend to be a pretty cynical bunch, so they'll doubtless find much to admire in the adroit way Sen. John McCain's camp has handled Sarah Palin since she came aboard the ticket. Voters, who tend to nourish an inconvenient hunger for information, may be less impressed. One suspects that sooner rather than later, some will begin to wonder why the GOP is insisting that Palin is entitled to be treated according to a double standard.

McCain's campaign manager, Rick Davis, deserved full marks for chutzpah, for example, when he told Fox News' Chris Wallace that Palin would not answer reporters' questions "until the point in time when she'll be treated with respect and deference."

Deference?

Respect and courtesy, maybe. Everybody is entitled to those - including candidates for office - and journalists seldom look worse than when they forget that. But deference? The president does not require deference from his media interlocutors, but the ambitious governor of Alaska does?

Palin, Davis said, "will do interviews, but she'll do them on the terms and conditions" dictated by McCain's campaign - which is to say, according to a standard that applies to no other candidate for office anywhere in the country.

The McCain campaign's insistence on imposing a double standard for Palin is nowhere clearer than in the demand, voiced by many of the candidate's surrogates, that her religious affiliations and their implications be off-limits. The GOP was on firmer ground when it made a similar demand with regard to her children, although it's safe to say that if Barack Obama had appeared in Denver with his unmarried pregnant daughter and the father of her child, the religious right's outraged screams still would be echoing in the nation's ear.

Palin's religious convictions should be open to inquiry, not least because the McCain campaign so obviously welcomes the support of evangelicals who support the ticket because Palin believes as they do. More important, Obama has been held to answer - and rightly so - for his connection to the Rev. Jeremiah Wright and the pastor's intemperate views on everything from race to 9/11. Obama was forced to give a speech disassociating himself from Wright and finally to leave Wright's church.

Nobody seriously questioned the right of the media - or, for that matter, the Illinois senator's political opponents - to ask whether Obama agreed with what was being preached in the church he'd chosen to join. Similarly, no one turned a hair when Joe Biden was asked on national TV when he, as a Roman Catholic, believed life began. McCain has been asked the same question. Palin, apparently, operates in a parallel political universe - or at least McCain's handlers would like to see that she does.

Less than a month ago, Palin sat in the pews at the Wasilla Bible Church, to which she and her family belong, and listened to a sermon by David Brickner, who heads Jews for Jesus, a group cited by the Anti-Defamation League for its "aggressive and deceptive" proselytizing of Jews. Brickner said that Arab terrorism against the state of Israel was an expression of God's judgment on the Jewish people for their rejection of Christ. After Brickner concluded his remarks, a special collection was taken up to support the sect's activities.

A spokesman for the McCain campaign said Palin does not agree with Brickner's views, but somehow it's the kind of question a candidate ought to be able to answer for herself. Voters also might like to know whether Palin supports, as does her church, an upcoming conference that promises to change gays and lesbians into heterosexuals through the power of prayer. That conference, by the way, is being put on by James Dobson's Focus on the Family, one of the national evangelical organizations that discovered a sudden enthusiasm for the GOP ticket when Palin joined.

Ingenious though it may be tactically, it's hard to imagine the Palin double standard enduring into the fall. Campaign connoisseurs not withstanding, politics isn't a sport, although it has at least one thing in common with the boxing ring - you can run, but you can't hide.

Tim Rutten is a Los Angeles Times columnist. E-mail:

[email protected].

This is an editorial that was placed in my news paper, The Press of Atlantic City. It's written by Tim Rutten, columnist for the L.A. Times. I think he made some fair points, and though I think being tit for tat is silly, it exposes some of the double standards when it comes to Obama Coverage by some in the media (ie FOX) and coverage by Palin in the media (ie FOX).

-----

Palin's religious beliefs are fair game

(Published: Wednesday, September 17, 2008)

Connoisseurs of campaign tactics tend to be a pretty cynical bunch, so they'll doubtless find much to admire in the adroit way Sen. John McCain's camp has handled Sarah Palin since she came aboard the ticket. Voters, who tend to nourish an inconvenient hunger for information, may be less impressed. One suspects that sooner rather than later, some will begin to wonder why the GOP is insisting that Palin is entitled to be treated according to a double standard.

McCain's campaign manager, Rick Davis, deserved full marks for chutzpah, for example, when he told Fox News' Chris Wallace that Palin would not answer reporters' questions "until the point in time when she'll be treated with respect and deference."

Deference?

Respect and courtesy, maybe. Everybody is entitled to those - including candidates for office - and journalists seldom look worse than when they forget that. But deference? The president does not require deference from his media interlocutors, but the ambitious governor of Alaska does?

Palin, Davis said, "will do interviews, but she'll do them on the terms and conditions" dictated by McCain's campaign - which is to say, according to a standard that applies to no other candidate for office anywhere in the country.

The McCain campaign's insistence on imposing a double standard for Palin is nowhere clearer than in the demand, voiced by many of the candidate's surrogates, that her religious affiliations and their implications be off-limits. The GOP was on firmer ground when it made a similar demand with regard to her children, although it's safe to say that if Barack Obama had appeared in Denver with his unmarried pregnant daughter and the father of her child, the religious right's outraged screams still would be echoing in the nation's ear.

Palin's religious convictions should be open to inquiry, not least because the McCain campaign so obviously welcomes the support of evangelicals who support the ticket because Palin believes as they do. More important, Obama has been held to answer - and rightly so - for his connection to the Rev. Jeremiah Wright and the pastor's intemperate views on everything from race to 9/11. Obama was forced to give a speech disassociating himself from Wright and finally to leave Wright's church.

Nobody seriously questioned the right of the media - or, for that matter, the Illinois senator's political opponents - to ask whether Obama agreed with what was being preached in the church he'd chosen to join. Similarly, no one turned a hair when Joe Biden was asked on national TV when he, as a Roman Catholic, believed life began. McCain has been asked the same question. Palin, apparently, operates in a parallel political universe - or at least McCain's handlers would like to see that she does.

Less than a month ago, Palin sat in the pews at the Wasilla Bible Church, to which she and her family belong, and listened to a sermon by David Brickner, who heads Jews for Jesus, a group cited by the Anti-Defamation League for its "aggressive and deceptive" proselytizing of Jews. Brickner said that Arab terrorism against the state of Israel was an expression of God's judgment on the Jewish people for their rejection of Christ. After Brickner concluded his remarks, a special collection was taken up to support the sect's activities.

A spokesman for the McCain campaign said Palin does not agree with Brickner's views, but somehow it's the kind of question a candidate ought to be able to answer for herself. Voters also might like to know whether Palin supports, as does her church, an upcoming conference that promises to change gays and lesbians into heterosexuals through the power of prayer. That conference, by the way, is being put on by James Dobson's Focus on the Family, one of the national evangelical organizations that discovered a sudden enthusiasm for the GOP ticket when Palin joined.

Ingenious though it may be tactically, it's hard to imagine the Palin double standard enduring into the fall. Campaign connoisseurs not withstanding, politics isn't a sport, although it has at least one thing in common with the boxing ring - you can run, but you can't hide.

Tim Rutten is a Los Angeles Times columnist. E-mail:

[email protected].

Respect and deference??? They are reporters. Yes they should treat everyone with respect, but deference???

Greg, I think Obama could be a great president too. He has the ability to inspire a nation and I think that is a gift the country needs right now.