Barack Obama Elected President!

[Southofnowhere]

Universal heathcare seems to be working pretty darn well in many other places! Change is a coming folks and no amount of GOP tricks will stop it!

[Jess]

No, I saw the speech where McCain made the statement. It has been replayed repeatedly on the news. He has made no secret of the fact that he will continue with war in Iraq just as Bush has. There will be no change. As far as universal health care, it is a hell of lot better than what we have now. yes, I know people go to the emergency room for a cut. The people for a cut are probably people with insurance. People without insurance go to the emergency room because that is their primary care outlet. When they go to the emergency room, it is because they are really sick and that drives up the cost of insurance. If they went to a primary care physician before becoming really sick, it would certainly be more efficient.

As far as the Al Qaeda line and Iraq, you are the one who had fallen, hook, line and stinker if you are buying that tired ol excuse.

[Jess]

Obama by himself does very well with the independents. Clinton by herself did very well with the independents. I see no reason why together they could not do very well with the independents.

[Roman]

Fell for it hook, line and sinker.

The Republican candidate for POTUS who said he didn't know that much about the economy.......and would have to read up on it.

Yeah.

That's who we need as POTUS. LOL

[Roman]

This is also the same person who said he never said anything about the media treating HRC badly.......

Until it was posted on the net.

John McCain. A Man Who Never Saw A Flip-Flop He Couldn't Do.

[GHJunkie4Life]

LOL what else do you expect him to do? Tell the truth and just admit that this woman has basically been the bane of his existence for the last few months. That she's made him and his supporters miserable over the last few months due to her inability to think of the party before herself?

Please are you really telling me you think Obama is saying all that out of the goodness of his heart. The truth of the matter is that she's divided the party and now he's gotta kiss her ass to make her supporters feel special and come back into the fold.

Thats fine and all but for me personally I wouldn't say a single word regarding her except to point out that she did push Women's Rights forward but at the same time was dumb for not quitting.

Imagine Obama or anyone in his campaign even hinting that Clinton did something inexcusable (even though most people know she's done them). The media would have a field day crucifying him.

No he's gonna suck up to her and her supporters. I can deal with that. But he better not put her on the ticket and he sure as hell should not pay 1 NICKEL of her 20 million dollar debt. For someone with SO MUCH "experience" she sure managed to foul up her financial record. She doesn't deserve anything from him.

[JackPeyton]

nope. IMHO, dem or r its not gonna happen., not anytime soon.

great post.

[Jess]

McCain, at a townhall meeting was asked to respond to a Bush comment that the troops might remain in Iraq for 50 years. McCain responded, maybe 100. Then he followed through with the quote that is attached in Kwing's condescending post challenging my defense of Democrats.

You can twist it any way you want, but it all comes down to McCain saying he has no intention of changing anything in Iraq. As far as getting better in Iraq, I guess everyone can take different opinions. I want us out of that war. There is still no end in sight, and there will be no end in sight until some shows leadership. McCain is not the someone.

As far as universal health care, it would be a big difference to how we do business in this country. I'm not sure that we could ever get it done because it would be taking on such big interest groups. I do think it is better than what we have now and I really believe we need to do something.

. I also still maintain that it isn't the under-insured or the uninsured who seek unnecessary medical treatments. I don't think argument would have much in the way of legs. The uninsured are mostly working poor. The unemployed are eligible for Medicaid. The uninsured can't afford to seek care when they are sick or every time they have a cold-- or cut their finger. As a result they don't go to get medical help until the cold turns into something far worse or the cut finger is infected and in need of more costly medical attention. When that happens they go to the emergency room where they can get free care and that free care is more expensive and it picked up by other medical consumers.

Jack, continue rolling your eyes. I'm sure a lot of people rolled there eyes when African-Americans and women stood up for civil rights too. I guess rolling your eyes and supporting a president and party that believes in constitutional amendments denying people their rights and campaigning on issues that play upon people's prejudices is a more appropriate approach to civil liberties and civil rights.

[Jess]

I think he is being pragmatic. He's not going to further alienate her supporters by putting her down. Pragmatic is the reason I think she stands a chance of being VP. He wants to win and if she is the best choice to do that, then she will be on the ticket. JMO.

I think he is going to help her pay her debt. He's not going to do it with the internet money he has raised, but he has already asked -- well according to CNN -- his large donors who have already maxed out in contributions to him to help her pay off that debt.

I like Obama and I think he's very calm. I don't think he lets anger get in the way of what he wants to accomplish. If Hillary provides the best means for him to win, then she will be on the ticket. They really aren't too far off on the issues.

[2shane8]

It still seems like sexism is the fundamental root of a lot of the Hillary hate.

If she is the VP and Obama is the President, then Obama is in control. Why are people so scared of having a woman on the ticket with him? I still find it puzzling that so many of Obama's supporters cry "change," and have used change as their primary theme, yet do not have the courage to go for FULL-OUT change by having a multiracial man and a woman on the same ticket. Talk about making history! And then people try to pretend it's not sexism by saying that they think Obama would be going against his message of change by bringing on Hillary as a representative of "old school politics." Please. And to say, as someone did earlier, that Obama "needs another man" on the ticket. After all your crying for change, it seems cowardly to now back into the old line of "I am not against women, but having one in office is too much change." For crying out loud, show some spine.

Obama is going to win the election. And an Obama-Hillary ticket will definitely win the election. Well, maybe I shouldn't say that, because I am still in shock that this country voted in a second term of Bush. However, don't underestimate the power of Clinton with the working class. I know it's popular among some liberals to be elitist and try to ignore that group, but trust me, they will come out to the polls for Hillary.

The only people who are going to be really upset (or not vote) over an Obama-Clinton ticket are the young, elitist college-age guys (and a few girls) who believe they are part of a big movement for change, but are really just as sexist as their dads. Liberals can be sexists: just check out "Rolling Stone" magazine.

[Roman]

But now,

If I were to say that alot of the Obama hate is racism.......I would wrong, wouldn't I?

Why can't it be that many feel she ran a bad campaign?

If people want to say that sexism is the reason why I don't want HRC on the ticket......then it should be fine for others to say that they don't want Obama as POTUS because he's half black.

[2shane8]

And I'm sure others do say that all the time.

[Wales2004]

One thing I don't understand is why it's hard for some people to accept the fact that there are a number of women that simply don't like HC. I think it's short sighted to blame sexism without considering the possibility that some people just don't like her and their dislike has nothing to do with her being a woman. Sure there are men and women who don't want a woman in higher office just as there are black men and women who don't want to vote for Obama because of his race, but there are people of all shades that don't like HC for reasons other than her gender.

The best of both worlds is all good for people who aren't adverse to either but it's a huge problem for people who are adverse to either of them. The contempt for her appears to be greater but that's because she's been around a lot longer. I don't think every liberal young woman sees HC as the answer and some of them may not have appreciated the divisive tactics she used in her quest.

I know everyone wants to overlook the negatives and focus on her strengths but not everyone can excuse or brush aside some of the things she did while trying to win the nomination.

Obama's in politics and he has to be tactful and diplomatic with the Clintons. Rangel supported her so he has to express only minor disappointment and continue to support her but just because he heaps kind words on her doesn't mean that all of his constituents are going to be able to easily forget the things she said and want to hold hands with her.

Independents that don't like party politics aren't going to rush to embrace candidates that epitomize the very worst of them.

[d_wsb]

The candidates' wives

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20080610/pl_nm/...litics_wives_dc

[Wales2004]

If she's the VP he technically should be in control but the way the primary season went, it seemed she was offering him the VP spot when he was actually leading her in delegates and her supporters insisted on making him subservient to her Before even acknowledging that Obama had the number of delegates he needed to be the presumptive nominee they were shaking him down to give her the VP spot which is unfair to him.

Change doesn't mean the same thing to all people so I don't think change necessarily means to them having a non white president. Yes, that would represent a change in the face of the president but they are looking at more substantive things than that so to simplify it down to change of race and gender is really ignoring the fact that they want change in the way business is done. Making history is a bonus if it happens.

I know you meant me when I said that he needs another man on the ticket and I don't see how that makes me sexist. If my reasons for wanting another man on the ticket is because I am anti woman then you would have a point but that's not it. Kathleen Sebellius seems great but she's not known enough for me to believe that she's have great enough impact but I could be totally wrong on that. Maybe I shouldn't have said he needs another man on the ticket. Maybe I should have said he needs someone who is stronger in areas in which he is weak, who would be believable as supporting his message, and who is not divisive and has not been practicing divisiveness which rules out HC for me and opens the door to other options of either gender. I can't change your mind nor do I want to so if you want to go on believing that anyone who doesn't gush over HC is sexist than I'm sure you will. I don't gush over her because she's divisive and she may have a lot of great qualities but for me the fact that she said the things she said makes her the kind of person I would never want as a leader of a nation that is supposed to embrace all people even if you're not hardworking white people.