Jump to content

Barack Obama Elected President!


Max

Recommended Posts

  • Members

Bombshell: Serious Palin vetting took place one day before official selection

By: SilentPatriot on Wednesday, September 3rd, 2008 at 6:00 AM - PDT

You gotta be kidding me:

Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin was not subjected to a lengthy in-person background interview with the head of Sen. John McCain’s vice presidential vetting team until last Wednesday in Arizona, the day before McCain asked her to be his running mate, and she did not disclose the fact that her 17-year-old daughter was pregnant until that meeting, two knowledgeable McCain officials acknowledged Tuesday.

In the first and most telling executive decision of his potential presidency, John McCain makes a rash, reckless decision that, God forbid he falls ill while in office, will be disastrous for this country. Is that the kind of judgment we need in the White House for another four years?

Heather caught this video last night from MSNBC of Rachel Maddow blasting Buchanan for praising Palin… after, of course, he said her nomination would be disastrous.

John Cole makes a great point:

McCain had three months free to do whatever- to fund raise, to campaign, to make the case for himself, to shore up the base, to work on the platform, and, presumably, to begin vetting his running partner.

What, then, did the McCain team do with the extra three months they had to choose their candidate? Beats me, but it sure as hell was not a careful examination of Sarah Palin.

Who do you want as Commander In Chief? An intemperate flyboy, or a cautious thinker?

What’s even worse is that despite all the evidence proving the McCain did a piss-poor job of vetting Palin, McCain still insists that the background check was thorough and he’s pleased with the results. Wow. Just wow.

To me, the question is no longer whether or not Sarah Palin is ready to be VP; it’s whether or not John McCain has the temperament and judgment to be President. His choice of the eminently unqualified Palin pretty much answers that question.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

  • Replies 8.7k
  • Created
  • Last Reply
  • Members

It will blow over like the JW story did (Which was on 24 hour news for 3 weeks).

This process was beyond shabby, and I don't believe it will blow over.

Alot of people in his campaign did not do their jobs. If this is what people call "Serving at the pleasure of the candidate" they have dropped this ball.

And I still can't get over how, if Obama had picked someone with these very same qualifications, he would be getting blasted by the same people who are praising this pick.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

  • Members

Abstinence only is great if you can get all teenagers to go along. The likelihood of that is zero percent since it hasn't happened in all these years.

If she has opposed programs that would help pregnant teens then it's easy to jump to the conclusion that she wants them out on the street. It may not be explicit as in her saying this is what I want since she probably never gave the consequences any thought, but it's implicit since that could turn out to be the result of a teen being denied those necessities. Maybe she assumes that every family is going to rally around their pregnant team but unfortunately that's not the case all of the times and sometimes even when the families want to, they can't afford to do it.

Some of this will blow over but considering the rabidity of the media and those who want to stick it to Fox News, they may keep it going for some time. It's not that there is only one story brewing....it's that they've got several.

Double standards exist and that's the reality. Life isnt' fair and that's the reality. Obama has done well for himself despite adversity. He is not going to be afforded the same courtesies and he's going to have to work doubly harder "to prove himself" even when he shouldn't have to do so. That's just a fact of his life and I am sure he has developed thicker skin because of it and a lot of this just bounces off him. I believe he'll ultimately be even mentally tougher because of this experience and more to come.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

  • Members

Just a couple of random thoughts (it's my first time posting on this thread):

Palin's pregnant daughter is clouding the issue. People really should be talking about SP's record as governor (i.e.: Hilary Rosen's piece as posted by Wales).

However, as far as getting pregnant at 17, can you really always blame the parents? Especially nowadays? Once that child gets her driver's license and the family's old Volvo, she is essentially powering a bedroom on wheels. Palin was prob too busy with little Willow, Meadow, River, Bunker, Mountain and Wood Sprite while also running a state chock-full of lucrative petrol, gas and mineral resources to check up on whether lil Bristol really was at the library Saturday night.

I also think that if the Dems (and FTR I am not affiliated with either party but am considering voting for Obama) want to start attacking Sarah Palin on her record (or lack thereof) as I saw last night on CNN, they need to tread very carefully. Obama has equally small political experience and Palin's gubernatorial responsabilites trump his senatorial work. It's going to make them look like hypocrites -- especially the professional feminists who attacked Kansas's female governor for not siding with Hilary Clinton doing the nominations race.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

  • Members

Yes back in the early 70's McGovern dropped his VP pick because it comeout he under went ECT.

IMO McCain is stuck with Palin. I don't think he could recover from dropping her. His team could try to get women all fired up by saying Obama and the media caused her to dropout but i highly doudt it would work.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

  • Members

Palin is being blamed because she's aginast Sex Ed and up until now she and peeps like her say that it's all up to parents and it's their fault if their kids get pregnant. So if u go by want she has been saying for years yes it's all her fault. She can't have it both ways.

Don't get y peeps r buying into this whole thing about Palin being Gov trumps Obama. Obama has been the one going on trips and getting all the reports and talking to the top peeps.

Many former and current Gov's have come out and said that they don't really command the NG , that it's all the Millitary they can call them out but they don't really have any say on what they do. Obama can attack her on her record on her support for all of Ted Steven's pet project's or as some peeps call them "scams"???.

IMO McCain is the hypocrite playing the experince card when his VP pick doesn't have any. Obama's VP has more experince that McCain and Palin and Obama put together.

Karl Rove is right McCain picked Palin to win and Obama picked Biden to get things done once he wins.

IMO if McCain wins he will find away to replace Palin.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

  • Members

Cat you lost me in reference to her record. In the beginning you say they should be tallking about her record but then you say they should tread carefully in attacking her on her record. I'm unsure as to whether record and experience are being used interchangeably.

The problem with the way the word "experience" has been thrown around for awhile is that it is not being used to express any quality but only quantity, as in he spent umpteen years in the senate and tht makes him qualified. It really depends on what one did qualitatively during all those years for it to be of major significance as far as I'm concerned.

I don't see myself becoming a Democrat any time in the near future but the more this election goes on the more I am convinced that I will never be a Republican unless they completely overhaul that party. What does it mean to take off your Republican hat and put on your American hat because people are in a storm? I thought that Americans were always that first and foremost.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

  • Members

The only reason he got the job in the first place was because a democrat was involved in a scandal and Huckabee was the Lt. Gov. But then, he WAS elected two times after that. But I feel like it was mostly because of his religious roots that he got elected. The only memorable good things he did, IMO, was fix the roads (which he actually did do well), and lose weight. Obviously the latter has nothing to do with leading. He vehemently opposed an educational lottery (something that pretty much every surrounding state has) to appease his Baptist supporters. He also granted parole to many convicted felons. IMO, he was always elected to keep things from happening (the lottery and liberal social issues), compared to actually getting things done. We've a had new governor for just about two years and have gotten a lot of new companies and expansion under him already. Huckabee could never manage to actually clinch the jobs from big companies. IMO, our new governor is a lot better just because of the fact that he isn't running the state by religion. He mainly keeps he his hands out of controversial issues and lets voters vote on what they want.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Archived

This topic is now archived and is closed to further replies.

  • Recently Browsing   0 members

    • No registered users viewing this page.



  • Recent Posts

    • Errol already confirmed she is back at Y&R and in a non-producing role; this alludes to she is not credited for the role she has.
    • I don't think Lisa served a purpose after the serial killer storyline. The writers never gave her anything to do but be Vicky's nemesis. Joanna Going deserved better. Another example of a character taking over the show and then the writers not having a longterm plan for the character.  Exhibit B: Sally Spencer. Such a missed opportunity. It really angers me how they misused her. She could sing and act and they just threw her away in that sexist nonsense storyline. Once the story was over, they wrote her off. The McKinnons should have lasted for years. I will give the show credit for how they introduced Sandra Ferguson as Amanda. I thought it was expertly done. She comes in and she immediately connected to RKK's Sam. She has chemistry with Matthew and she has realistic conversations with MAc and Rachel. That's how it is done. 
    • Great points, and it has not completely vanished. Leslie on Beyond the Gates fits the trope (she's still not over that Ted lovin' two decades later), though I will say there does seem to be an effort to make her more complex.
    • I understand why people speculate, but I have to say it doesn’t sound very plausible that Jill Farren Phelps would be working at Y&R in any uncredited role. CBS daytime shows are tightly bound by union contracts and corporate oversight, and that kind of informal arrangement would be a major liability in 2025. Before the mergers of SAG-AFTRA and the two WGA branches, it may have been easier to hire someone quietly or off the books. But those days are behind us. With digital payroll, tighter pension tracking, and increased scrutiny from legal and compliance departments, it’s just not the kind of thing anyone can get away with anymore. Most union members, especially producers nearing retirement, would not risk their eligibility or benefits to take an uncredited role. The Producers Guild of America is also very clear about crediting. To even receive the PGA mark, a producer has to be verified through a formal review process. According to their credit certification guidelines (source), "only individuals who performed a majority of the producing functions on a motion picture or television production" are eligible for credit, and those credits must be official and recorded. If someone is functioning in that capacity, they are not supposed to be uncredited. Studios that are union signatories, like CBS and Sony, know better than to skirt those rules. If anyone has a legitimate, primary source confirming that CBS is hiring someone like Phelps in an uncredited production role, I’d honestly be curious to read it. But without that, this just feels like rumor—not reality.
    • I keep thinking about the persistent trend of eroticizing mental illness on Guiding Light. Sonni and Annie were never more compelling, or more attractive to the show, than when they were manic. It played into a recurring theme: strong women undone by their unhinged reaction to sex. The writers were likely inspired by Basic Instinct and the broader wave of neo-noir films in the late '80s and early '90s, where female sexuality was often equated with instability. The result was a crude portrayal, not just of mental illness, but of womanhood itself. Both Sonni and Annie were introduced as sharp, capable women, brought in specifically as formidable antagonists to Reva. They were logical and composed, standing in contrast to Reva’s emotional volatility. That difference made them threatening, but not especially “sexy”—until desire became their undoing. In a very male fantasy, their strength unraveled the moment they slept with Joshua. As soon as they got a taste of Lewis lovin’, they spiraled into scheming lunatics, willing to torch everything to hold on to him. It was part of a larger trend in the culture. Fatal Attraction, Single White Female, and The Hand That Rocks the Cradle all traded on the idea that female desire was dangerous, barely held in check, and always teetering on the edge of madness. Looking back, it's a pretty grim trope. And while it's not completely vanished, I'm grateful we don't see it quite as often today.
    • Elements of it were silly, but it was a small price to pay to get Zas back. I should say there's a difference between in town and out of town returns. It's understandable for Roger to skulk around town in a bad wig and clown suit when he's in Springfield and running the risk of bumping in to people he knows.  Taking us out of town to find someone always has a short shelf life. Then it usually becomes about another character knowing X is alive but determined to keep them out of Springfield. Like Alan discovering Amish Reva. I don't know how long it went on, but it was probably twice as long as necessary.
    • Elizabeth Dennehy complained on the Locher Room about how ridiculous so much of the writing was for Roger's return. She laughed at so much of Roger's antics and how it was hard for her to take them seriously. Probably another reason she was fired as she didn't play the game.  
    • Only thing I enjoyed was Abby / Olivia, etc., and the addiction storyline. Otherwise, I could do without the season.
    • Right? Vanessa had a ball gown for every occasion.
    • Roger's return storyline may have been silly but Roger's return was what lead to GL's last golden era.  It was the combination of Roger's return and Robert Calhoun becoming EP that got GL to finally hit it's stride after some really bad years. It will always disappoint me that the ratings during Robert Calhoun's run didn't reflect the quality of the show.
×
×
  • Create New...

Important Information

By using this site, you agree to our Terms of Use and Privacy Policy