Members ian Posted December 10, 2007 Members Share Posted December 10, 2007 I loved John, but it's so annoying, an insult to Jerry's talent and an insult to the intelligence of Y&R viewers to constantly keep showing the Abbott patriarch as a ghost. Honestly, LML's decimated the Abbotts, and left Jack all by his lonesome, it's just cheap and cheesy to keep bringing John back as a ghost time and tme and time and time again. Honestly, he's on more dead than he was alive, it's like Cassie all over again. There are situations where a character can come back from the dead, and depending on the character and the story and the story's integrity etc. I can accept back-from-the-dead, on a per-case basis... but honestly, no half-backs. They're dead or they aren't. Period. Ghosts are annoying, except perhaps right after the person's died, for one or two episodes, but honestly... is there a bus that takes people from Soap Opera Heaven back to the cities or do they carpool? In John's case it's just frustrating to see this piller of the community languish, go to jail, and then the cruel suckerpunch: On his BIRTHDAY he gets to come home to his family from prison... only to die of a stroke. It was sick actually... and think of how much drama they forfeited. John never found out about Gloria's hoebaggishness, or that Ashley wasn't his daughter... he went to his grave not knowing many key secrets. Basically it's just another way in which the writers give the finger to Abbott fans, and people who support a family that just might have still had a bit of integrity. Aw well, we'll always have Victor and the rest right? Victor's great for a laugh, he's a real caricature (not to be confused with character) but I really miss John and I think Jerry Douglas was very talented. I often wonder if Y&R has somehow become Crossing Over or something. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members aMLCproduction Posted December 10, 2007 Members Share Posted December 10, 2007 I can understand what your saying to. But as long as I see John, I'm still cool. I think it's neat actually. Esp that we see him every so often. You never know when and I think it's clever Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members dm. Posted December 10, 2007 Members Share Posted December 10, 2007 I hate it all too. I wish we could erase the previous year or so of Y&R. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members stenbeck212 Posted December 10, 2007 Members Share Posted December 10, 2007 ASHLEY ISN'T JOHN'S DAUGHTER??? I didn't know that. It didn't even come up when he died. I think it's weird that John never haunts Gloria. Any of those shows about contacting the dead usually reveals that they know what's going on in the present. I guess he didn't gain heavenly wisdom. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members JSROCKS Posted December 10, 2007 Members Share Posted December 10, 2007 ICAM Actually, John is not a ghost but Jack's conscious that's why only he(Jack) can see him. It's one thing to have Jack's conscious continue to beat him up over the things that he(Jack) has done , but it is another thing to have that conscious (in the form of his dead father) to go on and on adnauseam about how he(John) LOVED and cared for a person like Gloria. It makes John look like a demented OLD FOOL given what we know about GloHo. I kind of remember John having second thoughts about Glo before he got sick, and then she upped the Viagra dosage. In any case alive or dead John Abbott has been ruined. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members ian Posted December 10, 2007 Author Members Share Posted December 10, 2007 Add one more to LML's body count... hmm maybe this past year was some sort of twisted dream... what if for Christmas we see John wake up in his own bed and tell Gloria he had a dream of all the stuff that would have happened if he had died, like an its a wonderful life thing. then Ashley could still be there, and we could just undo LML and her body count of character assassinations. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members dragonflies Posted December 10, 2007 Members Share Posted December 10, 2007 Ghost!John is just a Globag prop now Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Rhiannon Posted December 10, 2007 Members Share Posted December 10, 2007 I'd probably say that sounded crazy in any other instance, but with the amount of damage LML did to Y&R your idea would be an easy way to erase all the damage that was done. They'd still have to explain why Dru isn't around, with LML out it would be nice if they could get Victoria Rowell and Adrienne Leon back..... It's absolutely appalling what LML has done to the character of John, and anytime "Ghost John" is on I change the channel; it's so hard to watch a character that was so great at one time be reduced to what we've been forced to watch..... GLOHO NEEDS TO GO!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members ian Posted December 10, 2007 Author Members Share Posted December 10, 2007 They totally blindsided Adrianne Leon, that was so not fair. Maybe LK can give her a good word from her GH days and get her on at B&B because she got screwed by Y&R. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Southofnowhere Posted December 10, 2007 Members Share Posted December 10, 2007 The guy who plays John was on Cold Case last night and did a awesome job! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members DaytimeFan Posted December 11, 2007 Members Share Posted December 11, 2007 I too hate the ghost/conscience thing. Love Jerry Douglas but it is just ridiculous. I'm a fan of the 'This Whole Year Was a Nightmare scenario' but the way I would have it is John Abbott wakes up from the stroke he sustained right before he died. That way we get to undo it all and John can recover and the show can go on! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members ian Posted December 11, 2007 Author Members Share Posted December 11, 2007 à la Bobby Ewing is actually alive on Dallas!! Besides, Y&R has never done something so campy, like voiding a whole season or having every victim of a serial killer actually be alive... so we could let this one retcon thing go and they could bounce back from it, I think we can give them a get out of LML hell free card right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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