It's called a car accident for a reason. Babe intended on lying to Bianca, lying to JR, drugging the nanny, kidnapping Little Adam and going on the run, never having to pay for her crimes. SabineLee drove off for twenty minutes, realized what she was doing was wrong and turned around. She didn't intend on having a car a-c-c-i-d-e-n-t and driving over a cliff, jeopardizing her own life as well as Spike's. Plus, it took Babe (and Jamie) close to three years to admit that what she did was wrong. She felt justified in her actions and, not only that, was getting ready to do it all over again with Josh after the Satin Slayer storyline. So, to answer your question... hell yeah! SabineLee thinking about taking off with Spike, having a moment where she realizes what it is she's doing and having a car accident over the course of 20 minutes is not as bad as intentionally and continually deceiving, lying, betraying people for seven months and then going on the run so you don't have to face the music.

And everyone's complaining about Spike because of his hearing loss, but people aren't grasping the trauma SabineLee must be going through after having survived driving over a [!@#$%^&*] cliff, landing upside down and sustaining substantial injuries herself. It's not as if she just sent the car over the cliff with Spike in the backseat with her watching from a distance. But, of course, we don't see it like that. That would humanize a human character a little too much and make us think outside of the box. As long as we forget the fact that SabineLee realized what she was doing was wrong and that moment was actually ON SCREEN, as long as we forget that she turned the car around to head back home, as long as we forget the crash was an accident, as long as we forget that she was in the car as well and has to live with the memories of the event for the rest of her life... we can sit up here, paint SabineLee as this maniacal monster and commense with the one-sidedbitch and moan sessions about the fact that she hasn't gone to jail, and bitch about the fact that she's dating Aidiot, and bitch and bitch and bitch some more.

I'm not saying anybody's opinions aren't valid -- but I just hate it when people seem to twist certain things around to fit their agenda, and omit other points or ignore them all together just to make theirs.

OMG, exactly, Gio! EXACTLY!

Tad buries a man alive, tortures him and subsequently kills him, almost sends two people innocent of the crime to prison, has sex with and impregnates a married woman... and yet, he gets the ready made family all living together in the Cool House, every single one of the Chandler kids trying to be a Martin, having everyone in town celebrate his birthday singing his praises because he's such a great man and he gets to raise one daughter and bond with the other one he doesn't know about. That's okay.

SabineLee has a boyfriend and people actually don't view her as this horrendous monster and that's just unforgiveable because of a car accident that happened after she attempted to correct her bad decision. She must pay through the nose and never have a moment of happiness because she thought about it. Never mind she thought better of it. That doesn't matter.

And Greenlee intended (and did) steal Spike and has lied to the police, to Kendall, to anyone that she couldn't manipulate into falling for her sob story or guilting into silence for not being there for her childhood when they never even knew they were her parent. She clearly intends to keep the lie going.

When you have a car accident due to something you did that caused it - ie, reaching for a cell phone, you are negligent. People do get charged with crimes for wreckless driving. Drunk drivers have accidents too - and they are criminally responsible. And when you have an accident in the process of committing another crime, you get charged through the nose. Greenlee did not just have a tire blowout that caused her to go over a cliff. She was reaching for a phone and not paying attention to the winding road. And doing so to cover her ass because she never showed up at the hospital because... she was kidnapping Spike. You do realize that had she made it across state lines, her going for that cell phone would have been another crime on top of kidnapping a child and taking him over state lines? So who is twisting what?

And guess who would not have had to "realize she was doing wrong" had she not kidnapped a baby in the first place? That would be Greenee. She doesn't get a cookie because she changed her mind about a crime she was committing after already committing the crime. She did not just "think about taking off with Spike. She turned the car away from Pine Valley and took him. She never would have had to turn that car back around if she had not turned it away in the first place.

Guess who is also still lying to, deceiving and betraying people. Greenlee for the win again! She did not confess to Kendall that she actually steal her child and that is the reason she got into that wreck in the first place.

Oh poor Greenlee. She was in an accident too. An accident she caused after kidnapping a child, reahing for the phone after freaking out because her victim wass crying. We should feel bad for her too because it's Zach's fault... blah blah blah... she "saved" Spike... blah, blah, blah... It's the roads fault for not following Greenlee's car... There is no room for me to feel sorry about Greenlee when she hogs up all the resources feeling sorry for herself and wrapping herself in lies and revision to ignore the fact that she is a kidnapper.

Don't go on making the assumption that I care a bit for Tad. I haven't since he lied about Miranda and Adam III for the same reasons I can't stand GreenMe. But If we're talking about Madden - he was a grown man. Spike was a baby and Greenlee committed a crime against him. And can't express remorse because she's too busy making herself a martyred hero for "saving" Spike from the injuries her n-e-g-l-i-g-e-n-c-e and criminal activity caused him.

And as long as we're writing thigs off as merely accidents, as though the people behind the accidents contributed nothing to their situations, Madden "accidentally" died. It's the earthquake's fault, not Tad's. If Dixie had never given Kate up for adoption, Madden would still be alive. Tad shouldn't even be charged with a crime because he didn't mean for Madden to drown in that coffin Tad buried him in.

Really, the only difference between Greenlee and Tad is that Greenlee's intended victim somehow maganged to survive what she did to him, while Tad's did not.

Edited October 20, 200718 yr by RaisingKane

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Pfffttt it does NOT matter how long Spike was taken for, he was still KIDNAPPED. 10 seconds or ten minutes, in the eyes of the LAW it's kidnapping.

I'm curious what consequences has Greenlee faced? She got a shiny new boyfriend out of the deal, Annie is her BFF and Ryan's close to forgiving her?

Seems like she got off alot easier than Babe. I hate what Babe did, but Babe did more damage to Binks than Miranda, Greenlee did LASTING PHYSICAL DAMAGE to SPIKE, damage he'll have to live with the rest of his life.

Greenlee intended to take him long before this incident, remember the lawsuit? She did that to hurt Kendall and Ryan cause they wouldn't kiss her skanky ass

lol..I know. What are the odds of this happening , us agreeing so much.

Babe lost nothing? She lost her son! 3 hours supervised visits a week was all she got. Thats hardly losing nothing. Not to mention that she was put on probabtion and given community service.

Sorry, but Babe was hardly punished! Babe saw her son more during those "3 hr" vists than she ever does now that she has him living with her now! And David, her dad, was the one who did all her commmunity service! All Babe did was bitch & moan during that time, & acting like she didn't deserve it! Well, after the HELL, she put both Bianca & JR, in making them believe their children "dead", I say she deaerved it, & more!

Edited October 21, 200718 yr by mistydoll74

Sorry, but Babe was hardly punished! Babe saw her son more during those "3 hr" vists than she ever does now that she has him living with her now! And David, her dad, was the one who did all her commmunity service! All Babe did was bitch & moan during that time, & acting like she didn't deserve it! Well, after the HELL, she put both Bianca & JR, in making them believe their children "dead", I say she deaerved it, & more!

thats not true. She sees Lil A every day and definely more than when she lost him. JR stayed true to that for months and only started to lighten up when they started to use each other. Her probatiom and community service happened off screen just like Kendall's and everyone else involved in the Cambias murder. Babe's punishment may not have been much but the fact is she WAS punished. What she did wasnt overlooked and she did face legal ramifications for it even if it was little. As far JR, puh leaze. He was never made to pay for any of his crimes, you know like almost killing numerous people. He got off easy every single time and was never punished so if Babe got a light sentence in regards to what she did to him, then good for her, bc he should have been sharing a jail cell right next to her.

Ohhh Angie - LOVE that avatar of Kendall...she looks great.

thats not true. She sees Lil A every day and definely more than when she lost him. JR stayed true to that for months and only started to lighten up when they started to use each other. Her probatiom and community service happened off screen just like Kendall's and everyone else involved in the Cambias murder. Babe's punishment may not have been much but the fact is she WAS punished. What she did wasnt overlooked and she did face legal ramifications for it even if it was little. As far JR, puh leaze. He was never made to pay for any of his crimes, you know like almost killing numerous people. He got off easy every single time and was never punished so if Babe got a light sentence in regards to what she did to him, then good for her, bc he should have been sharing a jail cell right next to her.

Oh, GAWD, Cheap. Don't take it there... especially with a Jacob Lover. One too many agendas are going on in this thread as it is. If I have to hear mistydoll say how sweet and innocent and pure poor little JR is one more time, I'm going to ram somebody's head into a wall.

Ohhh Angie - LOVE that avatar of Kendall...she looks great.

Thanks it was from a Soapnet.com ad about Kendall, pure hawtness

Edited October 22, 200718 yr by AMC Zendall Fan