So that justifies numerous relationships being destroyed to give Jiz their moment?

My problem with Jiz is that Guza will literally destroy everyone and everything to make them look better. Just look what he did to give Jiz their one night stand.

He destroyed the relationship between Sam and Alexis and Ric and Alexis so Jason could sleep with Liz.

Guza destroyed and changed the entire character of Maxie and Lucky so that Liz would be "justified" in sleeping with Jason.

He did all of this just to give Jason an heir. When he had multiple chances to give Jason an heir with Courtney and Sam. No Guza had to destroy Lucky and Elizabeth (one of the most popular couples of the late 90's and onward) for Jiz? Please.

Since then Guza has destroyed all of Liz's relationships in the name of Jiz. Ric and Elizabeth have been destroyed for Jason. Lucky and Liz have been destroyed for Jiz and Liz is now ignoring her first born son Cameron. Even lucky said Liz has been ignoring the poor boy. How much more will be destroyed to make the assasin and the tramp of lies look better?

I'll go for Sam any day over Liz with this current writing. Ditto with Lucky over Jason

So, you find nothing wrong with the fact that Sam witnessed the kidnapping of Jake, and saying nothing to "NO ONE" about said kidnapping, and tormenting Liz and Jason during their time of panic? From a parent's standpoint a more realistic move would have been for Jason to have strangled the life out of Sam when he first found out about her perversity.

I don't care how mad you are, you don't celebrate the fact that a child was taken... that is why I now hate Sam. Nothing Liz has done can top what Sam did (or didn't do as in not alerting the police!)

As for Lucky, one of the rules for a recovering alcoholic or addict is to not enter into any romantic relationship for a year or two in order to get your life back on tract, or, at least manageable so that you have a better chance to fight off those minutely urges. Lucky should never have married Liz, and Liz should never have allowed Lulu and Nikolas to push her back to Lucky. Lucky is a train wreck waiting to happen, and it ain't goin to be pretty.

I want Liz to tell the truth so that Sam no longer has any weapons against her. I want Liz to face any perjury charges against her... I think since she's been such a model citizen (in never being in any trouble before), that the judge would be lenient. However, I can't say the say for Sam when and if it comes out that she stood by and allowed a crazy-greiving-mother kidnap Jake. I'm sure she would get in front of the judge and claim shock! At which time the D.A. (Scott Baldwin) would say "Okay, how long did this shock last?" "An hour, a day, a week? Just how long?" Yes, you pro-Sam people can easily point a finger at Liz's lies, but you say little about Sam's criminal actions, other than "she said she was in shock..." I bet you also believe that "Trix are for kids!"

I don't care how mad you are, you don't celebrate the fact that a child was taken... that is why I now hate Sam. Nothing Liz has done can top what Sam did (or didn't do as in not alerting the police!)

I don't remember Sam being happy that Jake was kidnapped. I remember her being horrified at what Maureen was doing and putting her hands to her face and having a shocked and horrified expression. It's not as if Sam was egging Maureen to take Jake. She was shocked and she didn't do anything to stop it. Was she wrong? Yes. But she didn't get a thrill out of Jake's kidnapping. Sam was going threw things as well and during that time Sam had her own problems and was going through her own crisis. Sam was in her own world after Maureen took her and she was very "off". Sam was in a state of denial and a state of shock after witnessing the kidnapping. It's not as if Sam was handing out balloons when she saw Jake being kidnapped.

Isn't Liz threatening to take Jake and Cameron away from Lucky just as bad? Lucky considers both of Elizabeth's sons his children. He adopted Cameron and is also considered Jake's legal father and time after time sheh as threatened to take those kids away from him if he didn't do as she said. Liz isn't pure happy sunshine. I like Sam because the way she is being written now is great for her character. She needs to be bitchy towards Liz and I hope she is the one who destroys Liz's entire life with the truth.

As far as Sam's actions against Jason she just saved his ass during yesterday's episode. She very well could have sent him to prison for life just as he deserves. So I consider her debt to him paid. Sam has been one of the most loyal girlfriends Jason has ever she nearly rivals Carly when it comes down to it.

i just love this thread and that it's on it 4th page.

I don't remember Sam being happy that Jake was kidnapped. I remember her being horrified at what Maureen was doing and putting her hands to her face and having a shocked and horrified expression. It's not as if Sam was egging Maureen to take Jake. She was shocked and she didn't do anything to stop it. Was she wrong? Yes. But she didn't get a thrill out of Jake's kidnapping. Sam was going threw things as well and during that time Sam had her own problems and was going through her own crisis. Sam was in her own world after Maureen took her and she was very "off". Sam was in a state of denial and a state of shock after witnessing the kidnapping. It's not as if Sam was handing out balloons when she saw Jake being kidnapped

No Sam was happy more than happy

- She said to Liz that Jake was dead but to be happy because Cameron is enough

- She asked to Spinelli to stop the research with internet

- She said to Amelia that she didn't care on Jake Spencer oops Jake Morgan

- She said NO to her "friend" Lucky when he asked to make a plea on her show

I don't remember her saying Jake was dead.

As to her not using her show to help find Jake I don't remember that being a crime. Television shows can decline plea's to find children. It's their prerogative. So she can say no if she so wishes. Again it's HER show. I don't remember Sam smiling during that entire storyline. I remember her crying and in a deep level of denial over what she saw with Maureen.

Edited August 15, 200718 yr by Skin

I don't remember her saying Jake was dead.

As to her not using her show to help find Jake I don't remember that being a crime. Television shows can decline plea's to find children. It's their prerogative. So she can say no if she so wishes. Again it's HER show. I don't remember Sam smiling during that entire storyline. I remember her crying and in a deep level of denial over what she saw with Maureen.

- She said that her and Liz were equal because both of them lost a child

- She smiled when she said to Amelia that she didn't care about Jake

- She asked Alexis legal advice to cover her butt

-She said to Jason that she did nothing because Maureen a woman with an hige breakdown was a better parent than him and Liz

-She said "Jason I was wrong but I did that because you lied to me"

and this week she will pay someone to scary Liz and her children

Are you talking about when Sam was drunk and was mourning over her daughter and went over to see Elizabeth. If that's what your referring to then that still doesn't prove she wanted Jake dead nor does it prove she wanted harm to befall that child. Sam never wanted Jake to be hurt and I don't remember her haboring any ill will towards the child. She was angry with Elizabeth and Jason and she tried to act nonchalant around people about Jake because he was thought to be the child of Elizabeth and Lucky Spencer. She didn't want the truth about paternity to come out and she wanted Jason to admit it himself.

Again I don't remember anytime during the kidnapping story where Sam wanted Jake hurt. She did say that Maureen would have been a better parent to the child then Elizabeth (her opinon) because she was angry. But threw out the entire kidnapping storyline she was in denial and was angry about the entire situation. But I don't remember her wishing any harm on the Jiz spawn.

Edited August 15, 200718 yr by Skin

I don't remember her saying Jake was dead.

As to her not using her show to help find Jake I don't remember that being a crime. Television shows can decline plea's to find children. It's their prerogative. So she can say no if she so wishes. Again it's HER show. I don't remember Sam smiling during that entire storyline. I remember her crying and in a deep level of denial over what she saw with Maureen.

Okay, here are excerpts from different daily transcripts during the kidnapping from the website: http://tvmegasite.net/day/gh/transcripts/m...anscripts.shtml

This one happened on Thursday 6/21 episode:

Elizabeth: Cameron holds the stroller with his -- his left hand. I'm pushing the stroller, I can see both boys. Cameron waves to the elderly couple. Spinelli and Lulu arrive. Spinelli hangs back, I -- I tell him it's okay to hold him. Lulu helps him, Spinelli holds Jake. Then Sam arrives.

[Knock on door]

Sam: Hi. Uh -- I want to talk to you about your baby

Sam: I -- I feel terrible about Jake and I want to help. I want to help.

Elizabeth: Well, I appreciate anything you can do, but I --

Sam: The police -- they came to question me, but I thought maybe -- I thought maybe if you and I -- we -- we would -- we would sit down and talk things through, and I would be able --

Elizabeth: Actually, that's what I'm doing right now. I'm writing everything down to see what I'm missing. Can -- do you remember what happened after you showed up? Spinelli, I know, was holding Jake, and -- Sam?

Sam: Elizabeth, you never -- you never really get over losing a child, you know? You try -- you try and just put it into the back and you try not to think about it, but you always grieve, always.

Elizabeth: I know.

Sam: I remember having this -- this dream -- I would have it all the time -- about rocking my little girl to sleep, and she was so beautiful. Oh -- it seems so real. I -- I would look in her eyes and I would see her eyes, and she would grab my finger and know that -- that was a good dream. That was a good dream. Those were good days --

Elizabeth: Sam, I'm really sorry about your little girl, but my son is not dead.

Sam: At least you have Cameron, Elizabeth. You have Cameron, you have Lucky -- you have Lucky, you can have another baby.

Elizabeth: What?

Sam: You can have a baby. You know, maybe that would make it easier to forget about Jake.

Elizabeth: What?

Sam: I just don't know --

Elizabeth: Get out.

Sam: "Get out"? I am trying to help you.

Elizabeth: You're drunk -- get out of my house!

Sam: You lost a child, I lost a child! We're the same now, aren't we?

Still another scene, same day...

Det. Rodriguez: You were with us all night; you know we're doing everything we can.

Lucky: Okay, somebody must've seen something, the kid didn't just disappear.

Sam: Lucky? Lucky?

Lucky: What, do -- do you remember something?

Sam: I need to talk to you alone now.

Lucky: What is it?

Sam: Oh.

Lucky: What is it? Do you remember something about my son?

Sam: He's not.

Continuation to Friday 6/22...

Lucky: Jake is not what?

Sam: You just -- you shouldn't have to go through this.

Lucky: You're drunk.

Sam: No, you're a -- you're a good man, Lucky. You're a good man, you love Jake, and this is just not fair.

Lucky: Okay, do you have information about my son or not?

Lucky: What are you trying to tell me about my son?

Sam: I'm just -- you know, it was just awful that he was taken, and I wish that there was something I could do to help, because, you know, I know what it's like to lose a child.

Det. Rodriguez: Lucky, we may have a lead.

Sam: Oh -- can I talk to Jason for a minute, please?

Jason: You've been drinking.

Sam: Yeah. I have been drinking, and I know it was stupid. But, Jason, I started thinking how awful Jake's parents must feel, which brought back all of these memories, and -- oh, I just feel like I -- I started spiraling down just -- just a little bit. So I came here because I wanted to tell Jake's father how sorry I was.

The following happened Thursday 6/28 when Jason made bail...

Jason: Ransom? If taking Jake was about money, we would've heard from the kidnappers by now, okay? So, listen, money's out. I need to follow Sam and Amelia; I need to follow up on them.

Spinelli: Okay, so maybe Amelia -- maybe Amelia took baby Jake to make Samantha look bad.

Jason: Yeah, that's -- that's possible.

Spinelli: It pains me -- it pains me deeply that you doubt your beloved, that's all.

Jason: I am just trying to be objective. Look, Spinelli, it doesn't -- just doesn't make any sense, okay? It makes no sense that Amelia would come in, tell me that she hates Sam, that she wants Sam to pay for her father's death, and all of a sudden kidnap Jake. It doesn't make any sense, it's too obvious.

Spinelli: Okay, so you're thinking on the other hand --

Jason: So, you know, I've known Sam for almost three years, I've been with her 2 1/2 -- I know her, okay? She is hiding something from me, and whatever it is, is killing her.

Sam: I didn't realize you had made bail.

Spinelli: Uh, Stone Cold just walked in a few minutes ago. Isn't it -- isn't it awesome?

Sam: Yeah. I mean, you must be relieved. Now you can search for Jake yourself. Unless you still think I took him?

Jason: I have to try to find Jake.

Sam: The police have been looking for days. What do you think you can do that they haven't?

Jason: Sam, don't do this --

Sam: By the way, if you want to keep the secret that you're Jake's father, you might want to avoid racing all around frantic to find him.

Jason: My -- my son is missing. Of course, I'm going to search for him.

Sam: And when you find him, Jason -- assuming that you do -- what, are you and your little family going to have a happy reunion?

Spinelli: Look -- um -- Samantha and Stone Cold, maybe --

Sam: Stay out of this, Spinelli, please!

Spinelli: But you -- you two love each other, it's -- it's a tough time for all. Let's -- let's just banish the hostility --

Sam: No, this is between me and Jason, okay? You need to leave -- now!

Spinelli: I will tend to my newly assigned task.

Jason: You're mad at me, not Spinelli.

Sam: Damn right I am, Jason! I am angry that you lied to me, and I am "furious" that after everything we've been through, you don't believe in me anymore!

Sam: This is "crazy" and unfair. You don't believe me when I tell you I didn't take your child! Like -- like somehow I was the one who was dishonest all these months when it was you, Jason! You, who was lying to me!

Jason: Sam, I'm sorry! What am I supposed to do? I need to look at every option at this point.

Sam: Then look at them! According to Elizabeth, she was only a few feet away for less than a minute! In that time, Jake was abducted! She didn't see or hear a thing! Shouldn't you at least ask her a question, one?

Jason: Elizabeth would never do anything to hurt Jake.

Sam: Listen to yourself, Jason. Really, listen to yourself. Elizabeth can do no wrong? When me, I am the woman you are supposed to love and trust, and "I" am the potential child stealer?

Jason: I know that you're angry. But it's more than that.

Sam: Isn't it enough?

And lastly on Friday 6/29 when Lucky & Liz went to the station to appeal to the kidnapper...

Lucky: Why don't you want to help us find our son?

Sam: Appearing on this show isn't going to help.

Elizabeth: How can you say that? "Everyday Heroes" has millions of viewers. It only takes one person to recognize Jake to bring him home!

Amelia: Elizabeth is right. The most important thing is getting Jake's picture out there. I'll tell you what -- I can give you two minutes at the top and bottom of this week's show to air your appeal.

Lucky: That would be great. We really appreciate anything you can do.

Elizabeth: Thank you.

Amelia: You know, I can run it as a lead-in, book a few experts to talk about how parents can keep their kids safe. We can devote the entire hour to Jake's kidnapping. Maybe it'll help generate some new leads.

Sam: Are you kidding me? You don't care, you don't want to help them find Jake.

Amelia: I'm not the one refusing to have them on the show.

Sam: No, Amelia is using you. She wants to milk your pain and your suffering to drive up the ratings.

Elizabeth: If it brings Jake home, I don't really care.

Jason: The longer Jake is missing, the worse the chances get that he'll ever be found.

I don't know of any television station that would deny parents to go on air to make an appeal for the

safe return of their child.

Liz wasn't in shock, nor can she use being drunk as an excuse! She was downright vindictive, and everything regarding Jake's kidnapping in Sam's warped mine was all about "me, me, me!" I hate the cow!

Edited August 16, 200718 yr by kandbar

Liz wasn't in shock, nor can she use being drunk as an excuse! She was downright vindictive, and everything regarding Jake's kidnapping in Sam's warped mine was all about "me, me, me!" I hate the cow!

Your right Liz wasn't in shock. Sam was. Sam was also in a very deep denial and even at one point repressed the memories of Jake's abduction until she finally remember them later on in the storyline. I never saw any where in those transcripts that Sam told Elizabeth he was dead. She said that having another child could make you forget about the child you lost. She never said anywhere in that script that she hoped Jake was dead or that he actually was. Just that the greif would lessen if Liz had another baby to love and hold. Was that wrong? Yes. But I still am not getting what you guys are getting. She never said Jake was dead. Nor did she say that she wanted Jake to be dead.

She was vindictive? Sam hasn't been vindictive towards Elizabeth until just recently. She also has a right to not kiss Elizabeth's ass for all the lies she has been doing and how her actions along with Jason have destoryed a three year relationship she did everything in her power to stay a float. I think Sam has a reason to hate Elizabeth. But not once have I seen her hatred for Liz transfer to Cameron or Jake.

Sam's mind was warped. But that doesn't mean she wanted Jake dead. I have yet to see anything confirm that.

Your right Liz wasn't in shock. Sam was. Sam was also in a very deep denial and even at one point repressed the memories of Jake's abduction until she finally remember them later on in the storyline. I never saw any where in those transcripts that Sam told Elizabeth he was dead. She said that having another child could make you forget about the child you lost. She never said anywhere in that script that she hoped Jake was dead or that he actually was. Just that the greif would lessen if Liz had another baby to love and hold. Was that wrong? Yes. But I still am not getting what you guys are getting. She never said Jake was dead. Nor did she say that she wanted Jake to be dead.

She was vindictive? Sam hasn't been vindictive towards Elizabeth until just recently. She also has a right to not kiss Elizabeth's ass for all the lies she has been doing and how her actions along with Jason have destoryed a three year relationship she did everything in her power to stay a float. I think Sam has a reason to hate Elizabeth. But not once have I seen her hatred for Liz transfer to Cameron or Jake.

Sam's mind was warped. But that doesn't mean she wanted Jake dead. I have yet to see anything confirm that.

I meant Sam instead of Liz. I didn't completely edit as I should. Anyway, do you have any children? The reason why I ask this is if a child of yours was kidnapped would you think it appropriate for someone to have that same dialog with you, as Sam had with Liz? Plus, another child NEVER replaces one that is lost to you forever. Sam didn't have repressed memories... No where in all the transcripts, or by listening first hand during the episodes did Sam say she had repressed memories of the kidnapping. She said she was in shock. Wouldn't you be in shock if you saw someone snatch a child that you knew, or even one you didn't know? Would that shock keep you from telling the police what you saw? Shock doesn't work like that, amnesia does. Sam didn't have amnesia, not even "selective" amnesia.Therefore, I would hope that you would contact the authorities immediately! Moreover, Jason didn't destroy a three-year relationship... Sam got shot, causing her to no longer to be able to carry and give birth to a child... Jason felt horrible... he loved Sam so much he ended things, because he wanted to keep her safe... Sam couldn't handle it so she got drunk and slept with her mother's slimey husband... unfortunately Jason, who had came over to tell her that he wanted her back, witnessed Sam doing the nasty with Rick (his enemy) on the floor of the cottage.

We flip to Liz... She enters her home to find Lucky doing the nasty with Maxie, on THEIR bed! She rushes out and goes to her friend, Jason. They made love... bravo for them! They were hurt for what they had just witnessed. Liz didn't pursue Jason after that, and Jason didn't pursue Liz... Liz even went as far as lying to Jason that he wasn't her baby's father, that Lucky was. She didn't tell him the truth until the hostage situation, and she thought she and Jason was going to die in that elevator... Jason didn't tell Sam because he didn't want to hurt the woman he loved because she couldn't have his child... Sam has been letting her hatred for Liz build to the point of insanity. Did you miss how Jason looked at Sam today when she was having her tirade? He looked at her as if she had lost her mind!

What Sam is really pissed about is Liz keeping the baby from Jason, and Jason allowing it... She wanted Jason to take the child away from Liz, and she (Sam) and Jason raise him... She wants a child that bad... Next, she's planning to break up Liz and Lucky in hopes of sticking it to Liz and getting Lucky to file for custody of the kids... This way she (Sam) gets a child, or in this case two children. The girl is sick! You got to be a parent to realize this, or at least have a pet you really love.

Shock doesn't work like that, amnesia does. Sam didn't have amnesia, not even "selective" amnesia.

Next, she's planning to break up Liz and Lucky in hopes of sticking it to Liz and getting Lucky to file for custody of the kids.

I didn't say Sam had amnesia. I said that Sam was in shock and during that courseo f time she was unraveling and her mind blocked out the part about seeing Maureen kidnap Jake. We even saw Sam finally remembering when Maureen took him while she was in her penthouse drinking a cup of water. I didn't say Sam had amnesia. I said Sam blocked out witnessing the kidnapping due to the stress, truama and shock of the kidnapping. Sam was mentally all over the place when Jake was kidnapped and several magazines said that Sam was "losing it" and that she was mentally unraveling during the time.

Good. I hope Lucky succeeds in taking Cameron and Jake away from Liz. Especially after all the perjuring, lying and threatening she has been doing lately. She deserves to lose it all.

Sam wasn't in shock because when she remembered she run to Alexis for legal advice and not to "his" friend to say what she saw

Lucky has not legal rights on Cam he never adopted him and if Liz should go in jail half of PC should join her

and Sam is a skank she will pay some guys to scary Liz and her children in the park

Sam wasn't in shock because when she remembered she run to Alexis for legal advice and not to "his" friend to say what she saw

Lucky has not legal rights on Cam he never adopted him and if Liz should go in jail half of PC should join her

and Sam is a skank she will pay some guys to scary Liz and her children in the park

ITA! The spoilers say that Sam sinks even lower. That's totally messed up when you pay some thugs to terrorize a mother and her children! Anything could go wrong. Let's see, Sam knew who the kidnapper was and didn't tell; Sam went to Liz's home to taunt her with visions of her child being lost to her forever; Sam refused Lucky & Liz's plea to air their plea to the kidnapper; and now Sam hires thugs to terrorize Liz and her babies! And Liz deserves this why? GMAFB!

I didn't say Sam had amnesia. I said that Sam was in shock and during that courseo f time she was unraveling and her mind blocked out the part about seeing Maureen kidnap Jake. We even saw Sam finally remembering when Maureen took him while she was in her penthouse drinking a cup of water. I didn't say Sam had amnesia. I said Sam blocked out witnessing the kidnapping due to the stress, truama and shock of the kidnapping. Sam was mentally all over the place when Jake was kidnapped and several magazines said that Sam was "losing it" and that she was mentally unraveling during the time.

Good. I hope Lucky succeeds in taking Cameron and Jake away from Liz. Especially after all the perjuring, lying and threatening she has been doing lately. She deserves to lose it all.

Saying that Sam blocked the incident out is still a form of 'selective amnesia'. Come on! The playback in Sam's mind of the kidnapping was just a reveal to the audience of what really happened... on who kidnapped Jake, and about Sam's non-action about it. Sam was replaying her guilt, not suddenly remembering. If she was suddenly remembering, she would have definitely ran to the police, or at the very least run to Lucky with what she remembered! Nice try but we ain't agreeing on this one.

Hate Liz all you want, but at least she's not sitting back thinking of ways to torment Sam. She has better things to do, like lying... Oops! I guess lying (which we all do BTW) will bring an end to the world!

I don't care if Sam wants revenge on Liz and she wants sleep with Lucky but bring Liz's children in her revenge is so wrong