Members ANDREA LOATHES REILLY Posted May 31, 2007 Members Share Posted May 31, 2007 I remember that. I guess that was rape too, huh? The only rapist in the EJ/Sami duo is Sami, and she NEVER paid for that! ANDREA Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Shawn Posted May 31, 2007 Members Share Posted May 31, 2007 I'm going to stay out of this thread from now on. It's not worth it. It's only bringing up bad memories. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members R!ck Posted May 31, 2007 Members Share Posted May 31, 2007 Bravo! Shawn I know first hand where your coming from and it sickens and disgusts me when it's throw it around so lightly. And suggesting that Sami got what was coming to her or that was her payment for his help *vomit* Rape is about power and that's exacly what he did to Sami. He used psychological abuse, bullying, and intimidation to rape her. Sami said NO many many times, but he psychologically tortured her until she gave in. In my book, That's rape! It was not LOVE in any shape or form. You do NOT bully, harass, or mentally, and physically abuse someone you love. He's a sexual sadist for piss sake. If people knew how it felt they would be singing a different tune. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Shawn Posted May 31, 2007 Members Share Posted May 31, 2007 I was going to stay away but I had to respond. Thank you Rick. It really does make sick to callously call rape anything but what it is. He might not have had a gun to her head, but he had a noose around Lucas' neck, and if Sami didn't spread her legs for him, he would kick out the stool from underneath him. And ICAM about how people would be singing a different tune. I just pray they never have to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members KLN Posted May 31, 2007 Members Share Posted May 31, 2007 Whoa, whoa, whoa... when did this go from being a Days discussion to discussions about real life rapes and how those of us who haven't been raped don't know what we're talking about? That's way too deep for this thread. If this were real life, it would be a totally different story. No way would I root for a rape victim to pair up with her rapist. Fortunately, however, this isn't real life, and so I can toss the morals aside and not take this stuff seriously. I mean, I don't condone murder in real life, but I'm Kate Roberts biggest fan -- she's a murderess! Real life and soap operas are two entirely different things. I'm not some horrible, unfeeling person with no compassion for real life rape victims just because I happen to notice the chemistry between two actors -- Alison Sweeney and James Scott -- despite the details of their current story. I know nobody's said that directly, but it's the vibe I'm getting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Keith Posted May 31, 2007 Members Share Posted May 31, 2007 Thank you, Goldy! Physically, was it rape? That's arguable. The psychological aspect is not. He had a gun. It's pure speculation to say that EJ wouldn't have used it on Sami had she refused. Sure, he told her to leave. When she didn't, it was proof that he already had power over her. To call it a simple exchange is utter bs. Did she have a choice? In so many words, yes. As far as Sami knew, Lucas was the only person she loved in immediate danger. I may be forgetting, but I don't believe she knew about John until Lucas was at the hospital. I don't think she knew what she was helping EJ escape from, aside from the police, who had obviously tried and failed the initial trap. Lucas, the father of her children, her best friend, and the man who she's wanted for such a long time, and he's dying. EJ may be her only hope. HE knows this. I would have done the same thing she did! That was emotional blackmail and psychological rape. He took her control from her, by not giving her a real choice. Case in point, despite her attraction to EJ, and the intrigue he brings to the table, she was CRYING as he started touching her. SAMI felt that she had no choice. No one can tell that girl how she felt. Only the victim can say if they weren't raped and always the circumstances are different. God, I'm so sick of this argument. Everyone I hear against it being rape are so damn pitiful. People need to stop making things so damned black and white, because nothing is. And it's a soap opera. So, it's so damn silly! It's rape, get over it. The writers have labelled as such, if NOTHING else. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members KLN Posted May 31, 2007 Members Share Posted May 31, 2007 I think that he raped her emotionally and mentally -- I'm still on the fence about physically. There's no question about whether or not EJ was in the wrong. The position he put Sami in was vile and repulsive. He raped her emotionally and mentally, without a doubt. I have to say, though, EJ didn't have the noose around Lucas' neck. It's not as if EJ rigged the cabin to cave in and for the beam to get pinned on Lucas. And I'm sure that under regular circumstances, he would've saved Lucas without much of a problem. However, he was trying to escape the police that night, and he was more interested in saving his own hide than saving Lucas. That's despicable, but understandable from his point of view. I would've much preferred that he just saved Lucas and then told Sami "you owe me" (not sexually) afterwards rather than doing what he did, because he did stick his neck out on a limb and put himself into danger by going back for Lucas, a man who means nothing to him. It's understandable that he would want SOMETHING in return -- if only it weren't sex. *sigh* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Shawn Posted May 31, 2007 Members Share Posted May 31, 2007 He held Lucas' life in his hands. And he knew that without his help, Lucas would die because Sami was not strong enough to lift the beam. Sounds like an executioner to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Shawn Posted May 31, 2007 Members Share Posted May 31, 2007 Very good points, Keith. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members KLN Posted May 31, 2007 Members Share Posted May 31, 2007 That's so bogus. He knew perfectly well that even if he didn't help save Lucas, another person could've come driving along the next minute as soon as she got out to help Sami. It's not as if him refusing help would've been a for-sure death sentence. EJ wasn't holding a gun to Lucas' head. He wasn't an executioner. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members JER Soaps Fan Posted May 31, 2007 Members Share Posted May 31, 2007 Thank you! I'm sorry if some of my comments offended others but I'll always be an EJami fan and write off what EJ did to her as NOT rape. That's not disrespectful to real-life victims. It's a show, I love their chemistry, and from what I saw (and evidenced from the split on this very board regarding the issue) I feel confident that I can decide, in this fictional case, whether or not it was rape. Because it wasn't "cut-and-dry." The fact that so many are so divided, that this is SUCH a heated issue, proves there is room for interpretation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Q Steph Posted May 31, 2007 Members Share Posted May 31, 2007 I know it's a soap opera. I'm well aware of the difference between fact and fiction. I'm not pitful because I don't find the entertianment value of a real life event being made a trivial mockery of; glmaorized on the altar of supercoupledom. So many other people have made their complaints concerning DAYS, ranging from backburned characters to furniture. Therefore, I think rape falls as a topic that some of us can find fault with. And I happen to believe that unless you've been through a sexual assualt, it's easy to be detach yourself from the heavy emotions that come with it. You can sympathize, understand and eulogize, but until you've been there, you can't truly feel that raw pain. And yes, it's more than just a bit troubleome to read others dismiss it so cavalierly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members KLN Posted May 31, 2007 Members Share Posted May 31, 2007 You surprise me every now and again my making such eloquent points, JSF! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Shawn Posted May 31, 2007 Members Share Posted May 31, 2007 Last time I checked, my views weren't bogus. They were mine. But thank you. My viewpoints won't be seen anymore in this thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members PhoenixRising05 Posted May 31, 2007 Members Share Posted May 31, 2007 Let's be careful what we say please. This is clearly a delicate topic for some and I think this is definitely an issue that needs to be talked about with great care. The last thing anyone wants is for feelings to be hurt or anything like that so let's just be careful. Thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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