You knwo this kind of reminds me of a story on AMC a few years back when Gillian went to David to help get money to help Ryan escape from the police and he told her the only way he'd do it is if she slept with him. She did it but the rape word was never thrown there

I remember that. I guess that was rape too, huh?

The only rapist in the EJ/Sami duo is Sami, and she NEVER paid for that!

ANDREA

I'm going to stay out of this thread from now on.

It's not worth it. It's only bringing up bad memories.

For me, it was rape, seeing as though Sami clearly didn't enjoy it and didn't want to do it. Rape is about power, and EJ wanted to be in control of Sami, and have sex with her. The fact that she felt she had to sleep with him because of Lucas, made it all the better for EJ. And it certainly was off the way Sami mentioned EJ possibly being the father of her baby, and Bo, Hope, Marlena, and John shrugged it off, as if it was nothing. Does John even know what happened? At this point in time, EJ should be treated as a rapist, and he's not. Bad writing. Still want EJ and Sami together though As for Marlena she has always been a bad mother, so that is nothing new. She has been great buddies with Kate for years, even though Kate has tried to destroy Sami's life numerous times, sent her to death row, and to a lesser extent, tried to destroy Belle.

Bravo!

As a rape victim myself, I find this post extremely offensive. When you force someone to have sex, whether physically or psychologically, you demean them and you make them feel the lowest that anyone could possibly feel. Though not shown to the extent of what it should have been, Sami felt like that. It does not MATTER what kind of person she is. She was still manipulated and given no choice but to surrender to EJ's power over her.

If you don't know what a horrific experience being raped is, then I envy you. But do not call something that was obviously such a vile act the opposite of what it was.

Shawn I know first hand where your coming from and it sickens and disgusts me when it's throw it around so lightly. And suggesting that Sami got what was coming to her or that was her payment for his help *vomit*

Rape is about power and that's exacly what he did to Sami. He used psychological abuse, bullying, and intimidation to rape her. Sami said NO many many times, but he psychologically tortured her until she gave in. In my book, That's rape!

It was not LOVE in any shape or form. You do NOT bully, harass, or mentally, and physically abuse someone you love. He's a sexual sadist for piss sake.

If people knew how it felt they would be singing a different tune.

Bravo!

Shawn I know first hand where your coming from and it sickens and disgusts me when it's throw it around so lightly. And suggesting that Sami got what was coming to her or that was her payment for his help *vomit*

Rape is about power and that's exacly what he did to Sami. He used psychological abuse, bullying, and intimidation to rape her. Sami said NO many many times, but he psychologically tortured her until she gave in. In my book, That's rape!

It was not LOVE in any shape or form. You do NOT bully, harass, or mentally, and physically abuse someone you love. He's a sexual sadist for piss sake.

If people knew how it felt they would be singing a different tune.

I was going to stay away but I had to respond.

Thank you Rick.

It really does make sick to callously call rape anything but what it is.

He might not have had a gun to her head, but he had a noose around Lucas' neck, and if Sami didn't spread her legs for him, he would kick out the stool from underneath him.

And ICAM about how people would be singing a different tune. I just pray they never have to.

If people knew how it felt they would be singing a different tune.

Whoa, whoa, whoa... when did this go from being a Days discussion to discussions about real life rapes and how those of us who haven't been raped don't know what we're talking about? That's way too deep for this thread.

If this were real life, it would be a totally different story. No way would I root for a rape victim to pair up with her rapist. Fortunately, however, this isn't real life, and so I can toss the morals aside and not take this stuff seriously. I mean, I don't condone murder in real life, but I'm Kate Roberts biggest fan -- she's a murderess! Real life and soap operas are two entirely different things. I'm not some horrible, unfeeling person with no compassion for real life rape victims just because I happen to notice the chemistry between two actors -- Alison Sweeney and James Scott -- despite the details of their current story. I know nobody's said that directly, but it's the vibe I'm getting.

Thank you, Goldy!

Physically, was it rape? That's arguable. The psychological aspect is not. He had a gun. It's pure speculation to say that EJ wouldn't have used it on Sami had she refused. Sure, he told her to leave. When she didn't, it was proof that he already had power over her. To call it a simple exchange is utter bs. Did she have a choice? In so many words, yes. As far as Sami knew, Lucas was the only person she loved in immediate danger. I may be forgetting, but I don't believe she knew about John until Lucas was at the hospital. I don't think she knew what she was helping EJ escape from, aside from the police, who had obviously tried and failed the initial trap. Lucas, the father of her children, her best friend, and the man who she's wanted for such a long time, and he's dying. EJ may be her only hope. HE knows this. I would have done the same thing she did! That was emotional blackmail and psychological rape. He took her control from her, by not giving her a real choice. Case in point, despite her attraction to EJ, and the intrigue he brings to the table, she was CRYING as he started touching her. SAMI felt that she had no choice. No one can tell that girl how she felt. Only the victim can say if they weren't raped and always the circumstances are different.

God, I'm so sick of this argument. Everyone I hear against it being rape are so damn pitiful. People need to stop making things so damned black and white, because nothing is. And it's a soap opera. So, it's so damn silly! It's rape, get over it. The writers have labelled as such, if NOTHING else.

It really does make sick to callously call rape anything but what it is.

He might not have had a gun to her head, but he had a noose around Lucas' neck, and if Sami didn't spread her legs for him, he would kick out the stool from underneath him.

And ICAM about how people would be singing a different tune. I just pray they never have to.

I think that he raped her emotionally and mentally -- I'm still on the fence about physically.

There's no question about whether or not EJ was in the wrong. The position he put Sami in was vile and repulsive. He raped her emotionally and mentally, without a doubt.

I have to say, though, EJ didn't have the noose around Lucas' neck. It's not as if EJ rigged the cabin to cave in and for the beam to get pinned on Lucas. And I'm sure that under regular circumstances, he would've saved Lucas without much of a problem. However, he was trying to escape the police that night, and he was more interested in saving his own hide than saving Lucas. That's despicable, but understandable from his point of view. I would've much preferred that he just saved Lucas and then told Sami "you owe me" (not sexually) afterwards rather than doing what he did, because he did stick his neck out on a limb and put himself into danger by going back for Lucas, a man who means nothing to him. It's understandable that he would want SOMETHING in return -- if only it weren't sex. *sigh*

Edited May 31, 200718 yr by Kennylicious

I think that he raped her emotionally and mentally -- I'm still on the fence about physically.

There's no question about whether or not EJ was in the wrong. The position he put Sami in was vile and repulsive. He raped her emotionally and mentally, without a doubt.

I have to say, though, EJ didn't have the noose around Lucas' neck. It's not as if EJ rigged the cabin to cave in and for the beam to get pinned on Lucas. And I'm sure that under regular circumstances, he would've saved Lucas without much of a problem. However, he was trying to escape the police that night, and he was more interested in saving his own hide than saving Lucas. That's despicable, but understandable from his point of view. I would've much preferred that he just saved Lucas and then told Sami "you owe me" (not sexually) afterwards rather than doing what he did, because he did stick his neck out on a limb and put himself into danger by going back for Lucas, a man who means nothing to him. It's understandable that he would want SOMETHING in return -- if only it weren't sex. *sigh*

He held Lucas' life in his hands. And he knew that without his help, Lucas would die because Sami was not strong enough to lift the beam.

Sounds like an executioner to me.

Thank you, Goldy!

Physically, was it rape? That's arguable. The psychological aspect is not. He had a gun. It's pure speculation to say that EJ wouldn't have used it on Sami had she refused. Sure, he told her to leave. When she didn't, it was proof that he already had power over her. To call it a simple exchange is utter bs. Did she have a choice? In so many words, yes. As far as Sami knew, Lucas was the only person she loved in immediate danger. I may be forgetting, but I don't believe she knew about John until Lucas was at the hospital. I don't think she knew what she was helping EJ escape from, aside from the police, who had obviously tried and failed the initial trap. Lucas, the father of her children, her best friend, and the man who she's wanted for such a long time, and he's dying. EJ may be her only hope. HE knows this. I would have done the same thing she did! That was emotional blackmail and psychological rape. He took her control from her, by not giving her a real choice. Case in point, despite her attraction to EJ, and the intrigue he brings to the table, she was CRYING as he started touching her. SAMI felt that she had no choice. No one can tell that girl how she felt. Only the victim can say if they weren't raped and always the circumstances are different.

God, I'm so sick of this argument. Everyone I hear against it being rape are so damn pitiful. People need to stop making things so damned black and white, because nothing is. And it's a soap opera. So, it's so damn silly! It's rape, get over it. The writers have labelled as such, if NOTHING else.

Very good points, Keith.

He held Lucas' life in his hands. And he knew that without his help, Lucas would die because Sami was not strong enough to lift the beam.

Sounds like an executioner to me.

That's so bogus.

He knew perfectly well that even if he didn't help save Lucas, another person could've come driving along the next minute as soon as she got out to help Sami. It's not as if him refusing help would've been a for-sure death sentence.

EJ wasn't holding a gun to Lucas' head. He wasn't an executioner.

Edited May 31, 200718 yr by Kennylicious

Whoa, whoa, whoa... when did this go from being a Days discussion to discussions about real life rapes and how those of us who haven't been raped don't know what we're talking about? That's way too deep for this thread.

If this were real life, it would be a totally different story. No way would I root for a rape victim to pair up with her rapist. Fortunately, however, this isn't real life, and so I can toss the morals aside and not take this stuff seriously. I mean, I don't condone murder in real life, but I'm Kate Roberts biggest fan -- she's a murderess! Real life and soap operas are two entirely different things. I'm not some horrible, unfeeling person with no compassion for real life rape victims just because I happen to notice the chemistry between two actors -- Alison Sweeney and James Scott -- despite the details of their current story. I know nobody's said that directly, but it's the vibe I'm getting.

Thank you!

I'm sorry if some of my comments offended others but I'll always be an EJami fan and write off what EJ did to her as NOT rape. That's not disrespectful to real-life victims. It's a show, I love their chemistry, and from what I saw (and evidenced from the split on this very board regarding the issue) I feel confident that I can decide, in this fictional case, whether or not it was rape. Because it wasn't "cut-and-dry." The fact that so many are so divided, that this is SUCH a heated issue, proves there is room for interpretation.

I know it's a soap opera. I'm well aware of the difference between fact and fiction.

I'm not pitful because I don't find the entertianment value of a real life event being made a trivial mockery of; glmaorized on the altar of supercoupledom.

So many other people have made their complaints concerning DAYS, ranging from backburned characters to furniture. Therefore, I think rape falls as a topic that some of us can find fault with.

And I happen to believe that unless you've been through a sexual assualt, it's easy to be detach yourself from the heavy emotions that come with it. You can sympathize, understand and eulogize, but until you've been there, you can't truly feel that raw pain. And yes, it's more than just a bit troubleome to read others dismiss it so cavalierly.

Edited May 31, 200718 yr by Q Steph

Thank you!

I'm sorry if some of my comments offended others but I'll always be an EJami fan and write off what EJ did to her as NOT rape. That's not disrespectful to real-life victims. It's a show, I love their chemistry, and from what I saw (and evidenced from the split on this very board regarding the issue) I feel confident that I can decide, in this fictional case, whether or not it was rape. Because it wasn't "cut-and-dry." The fact that so many are so divided, that this is SUCH a heated issue, proves there is room for interpretation.

You surprise me every now and again my making such eloquent points, JSF!

That's so bogus.

He knew perfectly well that even if he didn't help save Lucas, another person could've come driving along the next minute as soon as she got out to help Sami. It's not as if him refusing help would've been a for-sure death sentence.

EJ wasn't holding a gun to Lucas' head. He wasn't an executioner.

Last time I checked, my views weren't bogus. They were mine.

But thank you.

My viewpoints won't be seen anymore in this thread.

Let's be careful what we say please.

This is clearly a delicate topic for some and I think this is definitely an issue that needs to be talked about with great care.

The last thing anyone wants is for feelings to be hurt or anything like that so let's just be careful. Thanks.