What is the kiss of death, exactly?

MARRIAGE.

They're living together in happy, domesticated bliss.

How many times can we hear them have the following exchange?

SAMI: I love you.

LUCAS: I love you more.

SAMI: No, I love YOU more!

LUCAS: No, I love YOU more! Wanna have sex?

SAMI: Okay! Where?

LUCAS: I love YOU more!

Gimme a freakin' break! LoL It's so sugary sweet, I want to vomit! Sami and Lucas are former partners in crime -- the scheme team! They were the ANTI-COUPLE. The fact that they're now more saccharine and sugary than Shawn and Belle tells me that there's something seriously wrong with their relationship dynamics.

Very few people can pull off "happily married" and still keep the passion alive in a soap opera relationship. Bo and Hope have done it, but that's a one-in-a-lifetime sort of chemistry.

In my personal opinion, Alison Sweeney and Bryan Dattillo are too much like brother/sister in their real life relationship for Sami and Lucas to come across as anything more than best friends. Everytime they kiss, it's like watching a brother and sister make out... so wrong, awkward and icky.

Sami and Lucas as a married couple have no possibilities, creatively, except for the same old push-and-pull rehash of the past, and that's grown stale. At least with EJ, are are possibilities and all sorts of avenues that they could take with the story -- all of which are fresh and new for both characters.. Plus, they're both bad guys, so their personalities won't have to be completely changed just to fit the coupling. As for those who say that EJ raped her and Sami could never forgive him... don't forget, Sami is a rapist, herself! If she knows that she, herself, could change and feel remorse for what she did, I'm sure that she could give the same benefit of the doubt to EJ.

Then finally, there's the whole factor of chemistry, which James Scott and Alison Sweeney seem to have in spades. I think they should go for it!

Edited May 27, 200718 yr by Kennylicious

"He raped her."

"Ohh....who cares....they have such great chemistry."

"He also shot John, stole his kidney, brainwashed Steve, sent Steve to kill Bo and Shawn......"

"Chemistry!"

Chemistry always trumps rape and any evil doings. Kinda sad, but true.

I wish things would've been different, wished that EJ didn't rape her because I like the two together. If Hogan wanted to pair EJ/Sami, why did he have him rape her? Did he not expect them to be good together? Was he going for a Luke/Laura feel?

I'm also sad to see that Hogan's using the "make a bigger, badder, more evil villain to make the other bad guy more sympathetic and good" trick. It's a cheap ploy to redeem someone.

I also like Sami/Lucas because of their history. We've watched them for the past 14 years and saw how their relationship evolved. I also don't see how they are like Bro/Sis at all.

The Lumi fans have been waiting for them to really be together for more then a decade. I think they (we) finally deserve some silly romance just for a little while.

What I've been loving with Lucas latley is how he tells mother Kate off. She plays the guilt card but he doesn't buy it anymore. Also I've always liked Sami better when she's with Lucas. Somehow she's kind of annoying and not so smart otherwise. lol

Edited May 29, 200718 yr by Cheyenne

"He raped her."

"Ohh....who cares....they have such great chemistry."

"He also shot John, stole his kidney, brainwashed Steve, sent Steve to kill Bo and Shawn......"

"Chemistry!"

Chemistry always trumps rape and any evil doings. Kinda sad, but true.

Well, yeah. Even if you created a good, healthy dynamic between two characters...if they lack the chemistry, then it's no fun watching. Now, I'm not sure if TPTB underestimated how well Scott and Sweeney work together but I'd hate to see the potential go to waste. Story-wise...there's so much that could be done.

I'm also sad to see that Hogan's using the "make a bigger, badder, more evil villain to make the other bad guy more sympathetic and good" trick. It's a cheap ploy to redeem someone.

It also shows that they're human and have their own fears. I don't think it's cheap at all. Of course, I want the rootable bad guy to recognize his own mistakes somewhere down the road.

I also like Sami/Lucas because of their history. We've watched them for the past 14 years and saw how their relationship evolved. I also don't see how they are like Bro/Sis at all.

Yet people like to sweep under the rug that he used their son to try and kill her. The number of years they've been telling the Lucas/Sami story doesn't really matter to me because they just lack the "it" factor, IMO.

I'm of both scenarios.

I think it's unfair to write Lucas off. This is a soap opera. Longevity can not be ignored just because chemistry is more favorable in your opinion. If written correctly, this triangle has the potential to be truely difficult to resolve.

Keith once again I find myself totally in love with your post, pretty much the whole thing. You can't just ditch whatever and ignore what's been happening over the last decade just because. That's so not soap opera. Honestly, if you think the simple answer is to burn bridges every time something is older than 2 minutes, you'll never build anything. Yeah maybe Bill Bell should've ditched Doug and Julie after year three, lord knows that never amounted to anything

I'm all for twists and turns and shocks, but all I will say is if they do make Lumi undesirable for the future, that's really not very good soap. They have already gone quite far enough in writing them out of character, and a ten year history deserves more attention IMO. The fair thing is to truly make both legs of the triangle interesting, and then when it is time to resolve the triangle (and a writer worth their salt will know when that is, neither too soon or too late) take the audience's temperature and go with the fans' vote.

I do not think very highly of Hogan's relationship writing skills and I doubt that the triangle will be a truly good one. Like Keith, if they do go for it I'm fairly positive it'll be really poorly done. EJ and Lucas will alternatingly be sacrificed for each other just to prolong the situation out; that's the best this show can do really since it cares so little about quality characterization and depth.

I know what is going to happen. The Lucas/Sami/EJ will heat up and as usual the Days' ratings won't budge or will decrease. The male attacker/female victim romance is so passé. Good writing not gimmicky romances entertains the audience.

This is an argument that will probably go on as long as Sami, Lucas and EJ are all on the show because there are so many sides to the situation. I loved Sami and Lucas together back in the 90s, but the writers put them through so much and had them do so many horrible things to each other that I gave up. Lucas's fascination with Carrie last year was the straw that broke the camel's back, for me. He was so over the top in love with Carrie and treated Sami so badly, and then in the blink of an eye he was over Carrie and loved Sami again. I haven't felt any real chemistry between them for a long time (and being that this is a soap, chemistry is very important); however, in EJ's first scene with Sami, sparks ignited. I think the writers made a huge mistake with the rape, but Sami and Lucas have done many evil things to each other and a lot of Lumi fans overlook all that. Sami and Lucas at various times hated each other to the point that they were willing to kill each other....should we come up with some sort of scale to grade their sins to decide who deserves who?

I feel for the Lumi fans. They have waited over a decade for this marriage to happen, and then it was rushed through in a couple of episodes. But in the situation DAYS finds itself right now, with 2009 approaching rapidly, they need dramatic, fiery, passionate love stories--and I just don't see that happening with Lucas and Sami.

I know what is going to happen. The Lucas/Sami/EJ will heat up and as usual the Days' ratings won't budge or will decrease. The male attacker/female victim romance is so passé. Good writing not gimmicky romances entertains the audience.

And that's exactly what it would be: a gimmick. Even if one ignores the rape, I've yet to read a viable, character-based scenario that justifies Sami being torn between the two men. It's telling that 80 posts on and not one poster has refuted the claim that Sami is a loyal & faithful character (ie. she doesn't cheat). If it was/is Hogan's plan to write a conventional love triangle, why did he allow the wedding to go through? He could have had Lucas dump her at the altar and then have Elvis swoop in to pick up the pieces. As much as this would have sucked, its preferable to Sami committing the one act that goes totally against the core of the character.

Edited May 29, 200718 yr by Ponz

I have watched Days of Our Lives since before I could walk, but I haven't posted in a Days thread since last September when I was not so politely told that I was a fool for rooting for a pairing of EJ and Sami. I believed then and I still do that Alison Sweeney and James Scott have the best on-screen chemistry that DOOL has seen in over a decade. It compares favorably to Steve and Kayla, Bo and Hope, and yes, even GH's Luke and Laura. I had this opinion last summer, and it had nothing to do with the male attacker/female victim cliche that the two have since been saddled with. I was offended by the writers having EJ rape Samantha, and I still am. If the show had the time and money to cast new people to convincingly and charismatically pair EJ and Sami with, then that would be my choice. However, they don't. The show needs a red hot couple and they need them now. Last September, I took the word of all the Lumi fans when they said that Lucas and Sami were the money couple. I didn't appreciate their tone, but I had been a Lumi fan in the past and I did try to enjoy the hand that the show was dealing the audience. (The Lumi wedding did have some nice moments, and the clips were wonderful.) But after nearly six months of pathetic ratings and after the Memorial Day scenes in the car, I have to say that I no longer care how convoluted the retcon is, EJami has to happen. They are where the chemistry is, they are where new stories can be told and they are where new viewers can be found.

I think that James and Ali having amazing chemistry too. I really wish they wouldn't have done the whole rape storyline....

Let me just pop in here to say that I still like aspects of LUMI. I'm not 100% pro-EJAMI and 100% anti-LUMI. I'm just saying that if I'm supposed to like Lucas and Sami as the rooting couple, changes will have to be made.

Either way, I'm not a "fanbase" boy. I like certain couples, but my likes and dislikes shift so often that I can never categorize myself, because by the time next week rolls around I will have contradicted myself nine times, LoL.

Even if one ignores the rape, I've yet to read a viable, character-based scenario that justifies Sami being torn between the two men.

Then you haven't been reading the posts very carefully or you simply disagree with them. It's not true that character-based arguments haven't been made. As I and others have said in this thread, the character of Sami is capable of forgiving a lot when it comes to her relationships as demonstrated by her falling in love with and marrying Lucas after all the fighting they have done and despite all the problems that his family (Kate) has caused for her. And just because she says she hates a man with every fiber of her being one moment doesn't mean she won't be claiming to love him with every ounce of her soul sometime in the future. THIS HAPPENED WITH LUCAS so why not with EJ?

She could become torn between EJ and Lucas for lots of reasons. Starting with the possibility her thoughts about EJ could change after the intense situations they're put in over the next few weeks where EJ is standing up for her against his family, something she didn't previously think he was willing to do. Maybe Lucas does something to piss her off that makes her like him less. In the past, Sami did find EJ attractive and she did want to be with him romantically, so it's not out of the realm of possibility that those feelings could resurface should she forgive him and befriend him even if she doesn't ever act on them.

I thought what Sami told EJ when they were talking about the rape on her honeymoon was pretty telling: "Hating you keeps me safe." Safe from what? IMO I took that to mean safe from having to deal with all the complications that result from being friends with/loving him.

It's telling that 80 posts on and not one poster has refuted the claim that Sami is a loyal & faithful character (ie. she doesn't cheat).

Sami says she's a loyal and faithful character and I am not expecting her to have an affair with EJ while still married to Lucas. But you never know. She often does things that totally contradict what she says. And we've never seen married Sami so IMO anything's possible. I wouldn't have expected Marlena to cheat on Roman either.

In addition, I thought it was interesting that when Sami got busted for drugging Lucas the night she met at the cabin with EJ that she never volunteered the information that the way she got EJ to meet her at that cabin was by making out with him on Lucas and Sami's wedding couch. IMO the fact that she kept their makeouts a secret means it was cheating. Maybe not marriage-ending/breakup-necessitating cheating, but cheating just the same.

If it was/is Hogan's plan to write a conventional love triangle, why did he allow the wedding to go through? He could have had Lucas dump her at the altar and then have Elvis swoop in to pick up the pieces.

How would that be a conventional love triangle? Isn't the conventional love triangle one where the woman and/or man is married to or decides to marry the wrong person and then we get to watch as they try to find their way back to the person we want them to be with? In my case that would be she screwed up marrying Lucas and now she's finding her way back to EJ. Obviously that would be flipped for you if they decided to turn this all on its head having EJ and Sami get close all summer and then make the baby Lucas's and that would be how Lucas and Sami reconnect. There's A LOT about this story and these pairings that's unconventional, but to me it seems like they are following a classic triangle formula underneath all the weird specifics that go along with this storyline.

IMA, do you know why this same thread on the NBC board was deleted?

I posted in it, asking why EJami fans aren't allowed to make threads such a this one... there were a few replies... then poof. Gone! They also put the EJami thread on lockdown, and dis-allowed anyone from creating a new one. WTF?!

That board is ruled by Nazis, I swear! LoL

Edited May 30, 200718 yr by Kennylicious

IMA, do you know why this same thread on the NBC board was deleted?

I posted in it, asking why EJami fans aren't allowed to make threads such a this one... there were a few replies... then poof. Gone! They also put the EJami thread on lockdown, and dis-allowed anyone from creating a new one. WTF?!

That board is ruled by Nazis, I swear! LoL

LOL. Welcome to my world, Kenny. I know it's a stretch to seek impartiality from a board that has moderators who use banners that say things like "EVIL EJ RAPIST" or "EJ WELLS MUST DIE" but I foolishly did once, too.

The thing with that place is if you post something questioning any mod decision about a thread having anything to do with EJami it gets zapped. And if you do this with an EJami banner under your name it usually warrants a suspension for "bashing mods." I don't understand it but a PM I got from one of the mods there before the thread went down the last time informed me that the EJami thread doesn't always get locked for the actual posts in it, but because of some perceived general unruliness of the EJami fanbase and their need to "send them a message" because they think it's more effective than handing out individual suspensions to the people who break their rules. Of course this same PM had the mod telling me I was "one of the few good ones" and I got suspended less than 24 hours later so who knows. LOL.

I can only assume this powertripping will get worse as the show improves for fans of EJami.

But back on topic...

I thought today's Lucas and Sami scenes were interesting in terms of what they mean for the couple now and for the future. On one hand, it was interesting seeing Lucas and Sami sitting at a table with Bo and Hope and John and Marlena as if Days was saying hey, Lucas and Sami is a supercouple just like these guys.

But on the other hand, Lucas was presented as kind of a controlling jerk in the scene not believing Sami that EJ was actually a good guy for once, not respecting her wish that they keep her encounter with Tony a secret, pressuring her to go along with Bo's plan to use her as bait for another EJ sting, not letting her get out of the booth to talk to EJ and Sami having the beg Lucas to LET HER talk to EJ for a couple minutes. Ugh. Of course Bo and John were written the same way arguing with their wives about things. It'll be interesting to see how this all shakes out.

OK I think it's worth revisiting this thread after we've seen EJ rescue Sami like 3 times since the thread was created AND now today we have Stefano raising the possibility of EJ and Sami marrying.

Lucas has never been a match for Sami. She's fire and passion, and he's hot air. She loves freely and faithfully; he gives and takes his love at will--especially if Carrie is around (I'll never forgive him for the Carrie worship last year and how he demeaned Sami). I loved it today when Tony was making fun of him for losing his wife--AGAIN! They haven't had much of a marriage so far because she's spent more time with EJ than Lucas and now with Stefano's proposition....just how much will Sami sacrifice for love of her family? And could Lucas handle it if this baby is in fact EJ's and not his? I don't think he could. He's too arrogant and egotistic; I think he would end up resenting Sami and the baby.

Edited June 12, 200718 yr by Days4Life