Members Angela Posted April 24, 2007 Members Share Posted April 24, 2007 On the contrary, I hate how AMC is trying to portray Ethan as though he was some innocent lamb. He was a whining, self indulgant, petty jerk. And then there's Zach spinning around the Ethan axis since the death like their was ever a moment Ethan was anything other than obnoxiously hateful towards him no matter how much he tried. Then we have Hannah who came to town almost 4 years after Alexander Cambias's death was announced, 2 years after Ethan was announced as Ethan Cambias and one year after Ethan's death? Where does she have room to be indignant about "abandoning" the tall guy having been given opportunities? And this woman also knew Ethan was Ethan Ramsey all his life (heck, she denied being his mother for the same reasons Zach denied being his father - Alex was the scariness so rather run than deal), including 4 years ago after Alexander Sr.'s death was announced. Ethan lost Kendall on his own, because revenge on a father who never had an idea he existed until 6 months prior was the most important thing in the world to him and he'd screw over anybody to get it for as long as it took. A grown a** man acting like that, it was obnoxious especially because he started out so functional in every possible way. A functioning grown a** man - not a "wonderful BOY." He didn't die at 11. Ethan wasn't any less of a jerk than Zach in relationship to their relationship with each other. Zach was an overbearing, know-it-all who thought his son was too good for his girlfriend, and too good for his biological father the majority of that time pre-marriage - I wouldn't exactly call that evilness, I'd call it Erica Kaneish and thus obnoxious. Ethan was obviously very annoyed by Zach discussing curses (but weren't we all?) and possibly taking his billions so he framed him for murder instead of...proving him wrong. Zach did contribute to Ethan self-destructing in terms of his relationship with Kendall, by doing things like telling him he was going to fight to take Cambias, I'm not saying he didn't contribute - but like with Kendall with Anton (Kendall who was a child at the time no matter what they re-wrote, and came to town not well balanced) - it was Ethan who made the ultimate choice to be more in love with "what's owed to him" than anything else in his life. I'm going back to that scene after Ethan proposed to Kendall, she's sitting their like he just punched all the air out of her and then Derek calls and instead of being concerned that he's basically broken her down and she has absolutely no faith that he loves her at all or that he ever really did - he's more concerned about keeping his lie going. Lost cause. Kendall contributed to the ending of this relationship as well by going NUCLEAR in reaction to Ethan continuing to twist the knife. Ethan had already decided not to forgive Kendall or Zach for the marriage (his right, like it was their right to hurt him for hurting them - in Zach's case putting him in jail, in Kendall's case breaking her heart) - Kendall had apologized, Zach backed off and apologized as well seeing the wrongs of his ways - and he had been done moving on with Simone by the time Kendall and Zach had fallen in love with each other. Despite Zach making some "juvenile" comments, Ethan knew why that marriage was happening from the moment Kendall told him about it and didn't have a problem with them staying married until he realized they had fallen in love. It's not like Kendall and Zach formed a relationship over his rotting, lost heart and soul, they formed a relationship over their own rotting, lost hearts and souls and they were doing anything but throwing their relationship in his face (after everything hit the fan in May 2005) not that he cared until he realized they might have a future together. Ethan was having fun with Simone and his billions until then - then revenege on daddy became the most important thing ever again. It's not like it was even about his still simmering love for Kendall, the Ethan who actually loved, and cared deeply about Kendall died after receiving his DNA tests. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Q Steph Posted April 24, 2007 Members Share Posted April 24, 2007 Great post. Bianca is so ridiculous. Her character has turned into such a bigot. She's so quick to write off Erica as a bigot and she hasn't even pointed out that Zoe is weating an ugly black slack. The Martin hypocrites need to stop riding in on their high horses. They'd blame Adam for the mail being late. Tad, Jamie, Babe and KWAK cannot suffer enough. Hannah does seem unhinged. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members adrianna17 Posted April 24, 2007 Members Share Posted April 24, 2007 Hey MonkeyLove Parents are supposed to NEVER hurt their own children and NOTHING can forgive what Zach did Ethan died still wondering what could of been with Kendall as he told Zach but like so many words to that jerk they went meaningless. I also hate how AMC has done a total 180 on how now Zach even dare goes to his sons grave and how hasn't once thought of how he sleeps in same bed his son did with love of his life. When the heck did Zach try? Was it when he mentally abused Ethan? Married his lover? Stayed married to the woman he knew his son loved (like Ethan had to tell him to annull it YEESH)? Or was it when he was dying he asked for forgiveness as he twisted the knife in further as he told Ethan he loved Kendall? Oh wait Zach sure did try! LOL Hannah is so awful; we actuall have her mouring Ethan still. A mouring mother? Isn't that gross compared to the father who went on with life 2 months after he played a part in his sons death? Spin on! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Cheap21 Posted April 24, 2007 Members Share Posted April 24, 2007 Exactly. Ethan may have been a prick, and I admit he was, but that was only after Zach denied him. He was a pretty great guy before that and he wouldnt have been so tortured had Zach not hurt and continued to hurt him the way that he did. Ethan was in town for a full year and a half and that entire time Zach didnt give a damn about him. I roll my eyes at all this fake concern now Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members R Sinclair Posted April 24, 2007 Members Share Posted April 24, 2007 The Martins can shut up (and to think I actually cried buckets when Tad fell off the Lockport Bridge! That was another lifetime). Krystal can stop screaming that it's okay to do horribly wrong things and make the same disastrous mistakes over and over as long as you don't mean to hurt anybody. I don't buy it, ya damn tramp. It doesn't stop people for blaming JR for Bianca's balcony fall. He didn't MEAN to hurt her, he was just protecting the baby KRYSTAL AND BABE led him to believe was his daughter. Oh, yeah. Right. Anyway, I hate this Nurses Strike thing. Okay, so it's a volunteer nursing staff. Do they have to act like NONE OF THEM have been in a hospital before? All of this sitcom-ish bumbling and putzing around, dropping things left and right, not even knowing how to hold a chart without sending it crashing to the floor is overkill. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members LoveZendall Posted April 24, 2007 Members Share Posted April 24, 2007 Big fat WORD to your entire post, Angela! One thing I HATE about this Hannah/Zach thing is how Ethan is being written post-humously as being nearly qualified for sainthood. Puh-leeze. I wanted to scream when Zach told Hannah today that Ethan was "a wonderful boy". Uh...no, he wasn't. He was a vengeful, bitter, scheming, lying FULLY GROWN ADULT who lost Kendall through his own doing and then had the audacity to blame Zach. I, for one, am glad Ethan is gone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members adrianna17 Posted April 24, 2007 Members Share Posted April 24, 2007 Funny cause a whole lot of Ethan fans still want REVENGE! We certainly never got it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members LuvZach Posted April 24, 2007 Members Share Posted April 24, 2007 WORD Angela, word! I love reading all this Hannah is the bestest momma eva stuff. It makes me giggle. She's a regular Mother Theresa. Who cares that she denied her son for the same reasons Zach did. Who cares that she made one half-assed attempt at letting Zach know she was pregnant before running off. Who cares that she didn't try to contact Zach at school or tried to make contact with him during the months between the time she found out she was pregnant and he faked his death. Who cares that she never thought to keep up with Ethan's life by contacting her old friend Edith. Who cares that she didn't immediately run to Ethan four years ago when Alexander presumably died, or when Zach was outed as Alex Jr, or when Ethan took over Cambias. Who cares that when she found out about Ethan's death, she canceled her trip instead of running to his funeral or coming to town to find out about her wonderful boy. Yet, poor sweet lovin momma was on the first flight to PV hours after Zach took over Cambias. As a Zach fan I've never claimed Zach was perfect or was without fault in how his relationship with Ethan played out. However, Ethan gave as good as he got and then some and his need for revenge ended up being his real downfall and it says more about the type of man he really was that even facing death, he refused to forgive. At least Zach recognized his mistakes and has regretted them which is more than can be said about Ethan. The deader Ethan is, the more saintlike he becomes. He was a regular boy scout, LOL, only NOT! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Pine Charles Posted April 24, 2007 Members Share Posted April 24, 2007 I hope Janet doesn’t get blamed either. She needs medication to keep a level head. I doubt Adam is supplying her with the medication she needs. That said -- Janet is crazy, but she’s not stupid. Maybe she’s playing Adam a little bit too! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members adrianna17 Posted April 24, 2007 Members Share Posted April 24, 2007 Ethan fans will forever be glad he didn't forgive the man who abused or married his lover and why shoudl he? What, so Zach can have a clear conscious to live the life Ethan wanted? Zach really suffered with Ethan dying LOL I LOL when Zach fans make the funeral part. Gee, where was Zach himself? Hitler was a better father then Zach was! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members LoveZendall Posted April 24, 2007 Members Share Posted April 24, 2007 Oh, OK. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Pine Charles Posted April 24, 2007 Members Share Posted April 24, 2007 I didn't like Ethan and was glad when he died. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members dragonflies Posted April 24, 2007 Members Share Posted April 24, 2007 Big Fat WORD! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Addison Montgomery Posted April 24, 2007 Members Share Posted April 24, 2007 Ethan was a waste of space. P.S. - Hitler didn't have kids. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members dragonflies Posted April 24, 2007 Members Share Posted April 24, 2007 LOL whatever, personally I was sick of Ethan's "wah wahing" all the time. Seriously the boy needed a pacifier and diaper change more than Spike does. Gee Zach was actually respecting Simone's wishes that he not be there. Unlike some he actually shows consideration for people Hitler, you seriously brought up Hitler? LMFAO is that the best you can come up with? Seriously that's just PATHETIC Angela big fat WORD! to your post. It's sad, I probably might like Ethan now, but can't thanks to those of his fans who can't seem to own up to his part in all of this, and can't because of how the show is trying to make him into some kind of "saint" now that he's pushing up daisy's, and burning in hell with his rapist uncle Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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