See, I still disagree it was rape. Think about it: it's rape if EJ threatened SAMI's life, not Lucas'. And Sami never said "no." Otherwise, the decision, her choice to save Lucas, wouldn't have been made.

He raised the child for over a year. He thinks of her as his. JER is the one that saddled the young characters with kids.

I know that.

The Claire story is full of excitement and romance (SHELLE).

I completely disagree on that. It's a snoozefest.

And how could Kayla have stopped it? It was either she did it or that nutjob. She was in an impossible predicament. She called for help as soon as she was able.

What nutjob? You mean the guy Steve threw out of the room? Why didn't he throw the nurse out too then call the police? She only called the police after she chopped up poor john's body and served his kidney up to his worst enemy. Same empty room with her and Steve in it. Weak weak WEAK.

I know that.

I completely disagree on that. It's a snoozefest.

What nutjob? You mean the guy Steve threw out of the room? Why didn't he throw the nurse out too then call the police? She only called the police after she chopped up poor john's body and served his kidney up to his worst enemy. Same empty room with her and Steve in it. Weak weak WEAK.

It's not that easy. Even if they threw the nurse out and called the cops, once EJ found out he would be out for blood and many people would die. That is why Steve forced Kayla to do it and that is why Kayla had to do it. Kayla called the police once the procedure was done and once she got her phone from Steve.

See, I still disagree it was rape. Think about it: it's rape if EJ threatened SAMI's life, not Lucas'. And Sami never said "no." Otherwise, the decision, her choice to save Lucas, wouldn't have been made.

EJ had a gun with him in the car. He didn't hold it to her while they had sex, but he had shown it to her before, so there was definitely the threat of violence.

It is rape if you think that Sami had sex with EJ because she was afraid of what he might do to her if she did not comply.

It was consentual if you think that Sami had sex with EJ to get him to help her.

Regardless, it was pretty disgusting. I am NOT an EJami fan.

It was consentual if you think that Sami had sex with EJ to get him to help her.

And that's why she did it.

What nutjob? You mean the guy Steve threw out of the room? Why didn't he throw the nurse out too then call the police?

For the same reason he took away Kayla's phone so she couldn't call the police. Because he wasn't in control of his actions. He had small moments where he broke through but bottom line he was in thrall to what EJ wanted.

It was consentual if you think that Sami had sex with EJ to get him to help her.

He had a gun on him, and she knew it since he took it out beforehand. He didn't hold it to her, but there was the threat of violence. She had been in the sting operation. Lucas was dying. She has a child. She had so much to lose. Just because it wasn't her life does not make it not rape!

If someone said to have sex with them or they'd let my brother die (and there was no other way), I'd have sex with them. And it would be rape. Coersion!!

He had a gun on him, and she knew it since he took it out beforehand. He didn't hold it to her, but there was the threat of violence. She had been in the sting operation. Lucas was dying. She has a child. She had so much to lose. Just because it wasn't her life does not make it not rape!

If someone said to have sex with them or they'd let my brother die (and there was no other way), I'd have sex with them. And it would be rape. Coersion!!

*Applause*

If someone said to have sex with them or they'd let my brother die (and there was no other way), I'd have sex with them. And it would be rape. Coersion!!

That is extortion not rape.

However if EJ said, "Sleep with me or I will kill Lucas," it would be rape.

That is extortion not rape.

However if EJ said, "Sleep with me or I will kill Lucas," it would be rape.

Now you are splitting hairs. EJ had the power to save Lucas and chances are Lucas could have died, so EJ's inaction speaks volumes.

From Wikipedia: "Consent may be absent due to duress arising from the use, or threat, of overwhelming force or violence, or because the subject is incapacitated in some way such as intoxication and/or underage innocence. In some cases coercion might also be used to negate consent."

Now you are splitting hairs. EJ had the power to save Lucas and chances are Lucas could have died, so EJ's inaction speaks volumes.

From Wikipedia: "Consent may be absent due to duress arising from the use, or threat, of overwhelming force or violence, or because the subject is incapacitated in some way such as intoxication and/or underage innocence. In some cases coercion might also be used to negate consent."

In some cases...and this is where it becomes necessary to for EJ to threaten her or someone else with harm if she refused to have sex with him.

If every unwilling woman that bartered sex for survival was rape, prostitution would not be a crime. It would be subjective.

Edited March 1, 200718 yr by Ilovemydays

I love that after a 2 months, this is still an issue. And it's the same people too.

I love that after a 2 months, this is still an issue. And it's the same people too.

Is there an award for the: "Most talked about BORING SL of a non-couple"?

I love that after a 2 months, this is still an issue. And it's the same people too.

OK, the rolleyes icon, I have discovered, is very rude. My inital reaction was one of hurt, but now I am better. I have talked through my feelings.

I also don't remember being very involved the first time around. I may have voiced up, but you make it sound like I won't let it go.

I'm an EJ/Sami fan anyways, even as a romance. I just thought it was rape.