AMC: Wednesday

[Steve]

I agree that this episode was just awful!

I don't feel sorry for Zarf/Zoe at all, especially with the "you know you love me" and "you said you saw yourself in me" bullsh-t. I felt really bad for Bianca that she had this weirdo standing in her apartment demanding to be loved.

Just when I was loving the Jack/Erica scenes, they had to make Erica completely insane. She doesn't know how much Jack loves her? Imo, her ranting made no sense at all and it really made me hate her. How dare she call Jeff to come over and kiss her!?! WTF????

I was bored with the Zach/Kendall scenes. So he saw his mother die when he was 5 and he thinks he might have killed her (which he didn't tell Kendall yet). This has nothing to do with the serial killer so far. My bet is on Kenny since he suddenly showed up out of the blue.

[dragonflies]

How doesn't it have anything to do with the serial killer? The person killing these women are sending a message to Zach. Either they're wanting revenge for Amelia's death or something else.

UGH at Erica today, Jack needs to kick her sorry ass to the curb

[jenna14]

He did tell her. I'm confused. Did I watch a different show than everyone else? He told her his mother fell, he can't quite remember what happened but he remembers everyone telling him he was responsible and then they had Kendall trying to reassure him that it was an accident and he's not to blame. I'm not sure what you meant but Kendall knows that Zach thinks he killed his mother.

What he has yet to tell her and started to at the end of the show was how he thinks the serial killer knows about his mom and his past. Kendall asked him to try to move on and he said he couldn't because the killer knows about his mother's death. Tad and Zach both think the serial killer is someone from Zach's past. I don't think Zach's past is a red herring for the serial killer.

[jenna14]

Sorry double post.

[Steve]

Sorry, I get so bored by Zach & Kendall that I have trouble paying attention to their scenes.

I must have been daydreaming when he actually told her all that. I thought he said he saw her fall but not that he thought he was responsible for it.

[Tzelkos]

It wasn't actually Kenny Adler was it? I was just saying this guy looks like him. Although people on other boards have also noted this.

[All My Shadows]

I have to come to Zoe's defense. I see her demanding Bianca's love to be some sort of obsessive thing. I saw it as something deeper...something that is harder to explain. Like...I got that before he dolled himself and all that, he had to wrestle with it in his mind. He probably figured that he'd be ostracized, BUT, at the same time, he'd also have Bianca by his side, to shield him away from the pain that he was sure he'd receive because of who he is. I feel that he built his confidence and courage on that simple hope and wish that Bianca would be there for him, thus giving him the strength to do what he did.

But when Bianca gave him the sad truth, that she doesn't love him in that way, he felt betrayed. Not by her, but by himself. He was betrayed by his own mind in that he built up SO MUCH based on the idea that Bianca could love him, but it wasn't true. And the foundation was ripped right from under him. And instead of doing the logical thing and just parting his ways with Bianca, instead, he blames her, because she is who is there. And he's transferring the blame that he should place on his own mind...to Bianca.

God, I hope that made sense. It's all there in MY head, and that's how I'm perceiving what is going on, but it's hard for me to putting in words to try to show others what I'm thinking...

[All My Shadows]

And wow...I look away for one minute and one of my BIGGEST and most unlikeliest dreams come true?! KENNY is back?!

[R Sinclair]

COURTNEY BUGLER!!!! = HOT MESS!!!!

Like my girl jenna so keenly observed, that's the reason this episode was a mess! Courtney Bugler is just -- ugh! No words! None!

[All My Shadows]

Yeah, I have noticed that her scripts are God-awful...well...the Zoe/Bianca stuff was good, I think.

[Kylie]

Erica wanted Jeff to kiss her? She asked him too? Oh dear god. What is MMT doing to my girl? Ahhhhhhhhhh. And people wonder why I refuse to watch MMT take her wrecking ball to my diva. I'm the last person in the world who wants Jack and Erica together, but give me J&E and their boringness over the barf worthy contrived family fetus loving crap that Jeff and Erica are.

[R Sinclair]

I think all of that stuff had to have been plotted out separately. Because those scenes (quite possibly due to Eden and Jeffrey) had a different tone to them. All of the other scenes were pure garbage. Amanda and Babe giggling, and the weird out-of-left field Fake Fight between Aiden and Di? Ugh!

Do NOT get me started on the Jack & Erica 12 Days of Christmas Remix. YUCK! I mean, seriously.

And that contrived garbage between Jeff and Josh? These two buttwipes are obsessed over women they CAN'T HAVE! I don't believe they're in "love" for one second. And the dialog today was so tasteless. The way they were almost acting like they had rights to Erica and Babe. They were thisclose to saying "we won't stop until we get what belongs to us! CHARGE!!!!"

As far as the stories go, regardless of scriptwriter, I can't believe Babe kept that -- okay, I can't even keep a straight face. That Pig in a Wig is a straight up scuzzy ho. So of course I can believe she kept Josh's gift. It's all about the physical and material and the superficial with this tramp.

And I'm mad that the Milk Maiden gave them chocolate milk in cups she bought wholesale at Costco. I mean, really! Can't the prop department spring for something a cuter to the eye?

[Canfan]

I understand what you are saying but the problem is that not all viewers think the same way. Its the job of the writers to clarify for us and explain how the characters are thinking. Something AMC has done a piss-poor job of doing for over two years.

As for Zach and Kendall I guessed that woman was his mom as soon as the visions popped up. I could have been wrong but as it was I was'nt. McT is nothing if not predictable. I also guessed something bad happened to her. I was'nt sure what but Zach's story did'nt give me any more information than I had a month ago. He thinks he killed her but can't really remember. To me personally that was not a shocking relevation that is helping me understand where the serial killer is coming from. I need more information than I got today which was not much really. Based on his comments about his father I already guessed Zach's home was not happy. And since he and Michael never talked about their mother I figured she was dead. If Zach's clueless about what happened I would rather he had tracked down an old servant and have them give him the story. I don't see what the point of Tad's investigation was. He came up with nothing more than what Zach appeared to already know. The pace of this story needs to pick up. I had high hopes for it but honestly its boring me. A couple of real suspects would be nice but McTavish probably has no idea who the killer is though so I should'nt be surprised its off kilter.

[Juliajms]

I thought the Zoe/Bianca scenes were pretty good. Now that Zoe is on screen I find her more unsetteling than I thought I would. Zoe nailed the reasons in her dialogue. It's hard not to be able to put basic labels on someone such as male/female. I think it's hard to know how to respond to someone when those basic lines are blurred.

I missed part of the show, so I'll have to see it on soapnet. I liked the way Erica got "revenge" on Jack. I thought it would end up being something funny and they would kiss and make up. Doesn't sound like that's how it went down. I can't believe she wanted Jeff to kiss her? Everytime I look at him I see the crazy doctor he played on ATWT.

Babe just...there are no words. If you want Josh just ******* admit it already!

[Kylie]

Ahhhhhhhhhhh...I didn't even see or hear the show but that very idea makes me want to puke. Can MMT be anymore obvisous? She may as well just stamp Jeff's forehead with "Me Martin. Erica. Mine." Bastard. I thought by now I'd be delaing with the idea of Jeff and Erica, but it's killing me... As for he who is dead to me, he's MMT's sainted miracle fetus, of course he's going to get the girl and believe he deserves the girl. He is Half Martin after all.